Meeting one person new rule does that include kids?

[Lifestooshort1542]

So with the new lockdown rules from Thursday it says you can meet one other person who is from another household outdoors, does that mean I can meet with my DS another person with her DS? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[tealcheese]

No need for people to be so rude!

I too wondered if my 4.5month old counted. Can't leave her at home as breastfeeding (I know I can express but I don't want to). So with the new rules I can't meet with anyone else.

I will obey the rules but it is awfully isolating.

Does anyone know what has been said about baby toddler groups? I assume they wouldn't be on anymore?

[LolalovesLondon]

callistography

The whole thing is full of contradictions.

I can spend as much time as I like with my three close friends (inside) 5 days a week during work hours. (We work together)

At 4pm I can no longer spend time with any of them inside and can only meet up with one of them outside.

[NoSquirrels]

A walk in the park with a breastfed baby and 1 other person - 100% of NOBODY will pay any attention. Carry on. Babe in arms is an extension of you.

Obviously you’re going to observe all precautions etc but just don’t even worry about this.

Planning a walk with your child to meet up with someone else who also has a child - nope.

The rules aren’t grey - we should all understand them, it’s basically March with schools open.

4 weeks. It’ll be OK. Shit, but OK.

[IncidentsandAccidents]

I can't believe how rude and unpleasant people can be when someone asks a perfectly valid question! I had to double check this too, OP. I was hoping I might be able to take dd and her best friend out for a walk (they are too young to be unaccompanied). It does seem sad that young children can't socialise at all outside school/childcare settings when teenagers and adults can. Hopefully these restrictions really will be only for a month.

[AnnaSW1]

Kids are people you know

[Startoftheyear2020]

The whole point is not to 'socialise' for a month.

[Ecosse]

I see were already back to the mumsnet ‘rules’ where you’re only allowed 1 15 minute walk per week and bread and milk are not essentials.

The actual rules state that you can meet one other person in a park or public space, not just for exercise. The risk outdoors is absolutely minimal in any event.

You can exercise or visit outdoor public places with the people you live with, your support bubble, or 1 person from another household.

Outdoor public places include:

parks, beaches, countryside,
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them), allotments
playgrounds

[IncidentsandAccidents]

@Startoftheyear2020 if someone goes for a walk with someone from another household it will be to both exercise and socialise - and that's a good thing!

[Inkpaperstars]

@Legoandloldolls

OP it would be a valid question in the real world, but on MN you have to take the blame for a global pandemic.

If it's only for exercise then I cant have a support bubble with my elderly mum. I think it will be clarified soon as it was rushed out due to the leak to the press

If you are in a support bubble with someone you can see them indoors just as you have been doing, even stay overnight. Meeting outside with a maximum of two people is for meeting someone outside your household or support bubble.

[Rockyroquero]

The thick ones here are those berating the OP! It's not clear at all! Parents and kids can all go to playgrounds, so it's not mad to assume that walking a pram/buggy with another person is considered ok. Ridiculous if it's not allowed- what difference does it make?! It's frightening how some people enjoy taking moral outrage at other people so they can feel Covid superior. I think often it's those who were never the brightest individuals themselves - who can't think for themselves - and just love making sure everyone is rigidly following the rules. These people are on some kind of pathetic power trip in their own heads!

[m0therofdragons]

But it is clear - 1 person. You can do dodgy maths all you like but you’ll be increasing your risk so I can’t really understand why you would. If dd is old enough to meet one person without supervision then she can but if you and the other parent are keeping them in eye sight then that’s you meeting 2 people which is 1 too many.

[unchienandalusia]

His here we go back to people expecting rules that have to blanket apply to an entire nation being unfair on their specific personal circumstances. How many bloody 'rulez' do you want there to be? Then of course you'd complain it was too confusing.

Sorry or sucks. But here's we're we are. I don't like it. But I don't think it's confusing in the slightest.

[m0therofdragons]

These people are on some kind of pathetic power trip in their own heads!

Or they’re genuinely scared about 4000 people dying per day and are fed up with people trying to justify rule breaking as mn is full of “can I go on holiday” and “can I meet 2 friends but pretend it’s only one really”.

[unchienandalusia]

Apologies for typos. Phone not playing ball.

[Swissrollypoly]

What if you turn up at a playground or park and see another parent and child you know?

[Stitchyfingers]

In regards to children 'counting', I think of it as a worse case scenario. If my baby were to fall ill and need a ventilator, would I expect her to be turned away because she doesn't count as a person yet?

It's been a tough year for everyone and being isolated again is really shitty but the rules are in place for a reason.

[Ecosse]

@m0therofdragons

The 4000 deaths per day figure is total nonsense that has been specifically pulled from thin air to justify this lockdown.

[Twillow]

[quote Ecosse]@m0therofdragons

The 4000 deaths per day figure is total nonsense that has been specifically pulled from thin air to justify this lockdown.[/quote]
Just, why?? What could possibly be the ulterior motive of this lockdown?
If you say it's just to control us all I will beat you with a used face mask.

[nannieann]

In England children count as people, as they did in the rule of six. Stop looking for little loopholes to push at the rules and bend them to suit your own purposes. That is how we have ended up in such a dire situation. (Well that and all actions being too little too late) . This lockdown could be just for 4 weeks if everyone actively tried to keep their socialising to a minimum. Nobody likes it but we just have to try to behave like grown-ups.

[Rockyroquero]

@motherofdragons attacking someone who asks if their baby counts for going for a walk is pathetic and so dogmatic that it's worrying. And really, people are scared for themselves actually. They aren't lying in bed at night worrying about 4000 strangers a day who might die. Were they that worried about the thousands of children dying all over the world from preventable causes ? Were they screaming at everyone to do all they could with their time and money to stop it? No. It's all too close to home now and people are not any more bothered than they ever were about preventable deaths. They are just as selfish as they always were. Demanding rigidity that defies common sense (mums with a pram can't walk with another adult) is just idiotic and not very bright. And smacks of a power trip.

[Temporary1234]

Actually op I think you are allowed.

Put the kids in the playground S that setting IS allowed for them and socialize with the mum as that setting is allowed for u.

Ignore everyone else.

[MrsFezziwig]

If it's only for exercise then I cant have a support bubble with my elderly mum

Meeting one other person outside is not only for exercise - how many times!

And the support bubble is an entirely different thing - if your mum is a single person she can be in your support bubble so can basically become another member of your family and meet wherever you want including inside.

[MrsFezziwig]

The whole thing is full of contradictions.
I can spend as much time as I like with my three close friends (inside) 5 days a week during work hours. (We work together)
At 4pm I can no longer spend time with any of them inside and can only meet up with one of them outside.

Because you NEED to be with them for work purposes - you don’t NEED to be with them after work. The whole point is to reduce the total amount of interactions in order to reduce the potential for transmission. Why don’t people understand this simple concept?

[Ecosse]

@Twillow

It’s not to control us, no. It’s because the government have become totally wedded to Imperial College predictions that were wrong in March, wrong in the 2009 swine flu epidemic and wrong in 2001 the foot and mouth outbreak.

And have become so focused on COVID that that are ignoring the poverty and other issues caused by lockdown.

To have 4000 deaths a day as Ferguson and co are predicting, you’d need to have over 1 million cases a day. Which nowhere in the world has had- it is totally implausible and based on ludicrous assumptions and flawed projections.

[Onjnmoeiejducwoapy]

OP please ignore the total 🐄 🐄!

It’s not “trying to find loopholes” ffs, she’s asking what exactly the rules mean by this—England and Scotland have previously implemented this same thing differently. It’s a totally legitimate question.

Unfortunately looks like answer is still TBC, may be next week before we know