Meeting one person new rule does that include kids?

[Lifestooshort1542]

So with the new lockdown rules from Thursday it says you can meet one other person who is from another household outdoors, does that mean I can meet with my DS another person with her DS? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[Deadgoldfish]

You could meet a friend in a playground and have a takeaway coffee while the children play in the playground. That isn’t a loophole either I don’t think. playgrounds are open, children will be playing in the them and you are allowed to meet another person in a public space, it doesn’t have to be for exercise only.

[Northernbeachbum]

I do feel like under 1s really shouldnt count! It would still mean I cant meet anyone as I have a baby and a toddler but I think others with a baby should be able to meet up one on one as it's an isolated time normally let alone now.

I'm stuck as DH works long long hours so I cant form a support bubble as he is 'around' (but not really) and I have the DC at all times so no meeting anyone for me outside.

[NeverAMillionMilesAway]

People can be so rude sometimes on here.

The guidelines are not all that clear on the face of it, and surely it depends on if the OP is a single parent forming a bubble with another household or not?

Anyway, more detail here: www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november

[LolalovesLondon]

Mes Fezziwig: Because you NEED to be with them for work purposes - you don’t NEED to be with them after work. The whole point is to reduce the total amount of interactions in order to reduce the potential for transmission. Why don’t people understand this simple concept?

I said I could be with 3 of my friends at work because they are colleagues.
What makes you think I NEED to see them during the working day?
We work at different ends of the building but we meet up for breaks and lunch and this is allowed.
Looks like your simple concept isn’t so simple after all.

[Aramox]

This really is not how it spreads. Meeting outdoors with distancing is not a major risk.

[Bambooble]

I was wondering the same about my 3 month old. So if she counts in this basically I have to isolate again during my maternity, I can't leave her with anyone else because I breastfeed. It seems unfair my husband could go for a nice walk with his dad but I can't walk with my mum because my baby needs me to eat

A 3 month old presumably contained in a sling or a pram, having such close contact with you anyway that anything you have they will likely have and vice versa seems such miniscule risk, it's ridiculous FFS. Some of these comments are showing we are headed back to the glory days of casting wild judgements upon eachother, can't fucking wait. I'll be taking my toddler to see my brother, as he was abandoned by the MH care system and I have to do basic tasks for him, check he is still with us and taking his meds, and I am not leaving my toddler home alone (DH works away).

[lovelemoncurd]

Er unless the kid isn't a person then yes it includes kids!

[SoloMummy]

@tootyfruitypickle

Walking isn’t a loophole is it ? I’d drive to walk with my sister. My dd would walk with her cousin. We wouldn’t be within talking distance of eachother. We’re exercising together , that’s how I exercise , I walk each day ? Genuinely don’t see how this is a loophole ? I won’t be mixing at all with my niece .

Tgat is trying to find a loophole.

Could your child walk to meet the other child alone? You walk elsewhere to meet the adult? If not you're responsible for the child so breaking the rule!

[SoloMummy]

@Bambooble

I was wondering the same about my 3 month old. So if she counts in this basically I have to isolate again during my maternity, I can't leave her with anyone else because I breastfeed. It seems unfair my husband could go for a nice walk with his dad but I can't walk with my mum because my baby needs me to eat

A 3 month old presumably contained in a sling or a pram, having such close contact with you anyway that anything you have they will likely have and vice versa seems such miniscule risk, it's ridiculous FFS. Some of these comments are showing we are headed back to the glory days of casting wild judgements upon eachother, can't fucking wait. I'll be taking my toddler to see my brother, as he was abandoned by the MH care system and I have to do basic tasks for him, check he is still with us and taking his meds, and I am not leaving my toddler home alone (DH works away).

But that is permitted under the carer exclusion. So not sure why the drama is needed.

[delishdelosh]

Can't believe the shit op is getting!
My youngest is 7 months, yes I will stick him in the sling and meet with one other person. I have pnd and am struggling enough without not being able to go out and exercise/socialise. It will not increase anyone's risk, I will be at least 2m from my friend at all times and my entire household will benefit from me taking that time.
Anyone who thinks that this means the pandemic is the fault of people like me need to give their heads a bloody wobble and think that not everyone's circumstances are the same as theirs.

[SoloMummy]

@LolalovesLondon

Mes Fezziwig: Because you NEED to be with them for work purposes - you don’t NEED to be with them after work. The whole point is to reduce the total amount of interactions in order to reduce the potential for transmission. Why don’t people understand this simple concept?

I said I could be with 3 of my friends at work because they are colleagues.
What makes you think I NEED to see them during the working day?
We work at different ends of the building but we meet up for breaks and lunch and this is allowed.
Looks like your simple concept isn’t so simple after all.

It is simple because you're still advised to reduce unnecessary contact and your lunch meetups, in your example, are unnecessary so shouldn't happen.
Simple!

[Bambooble]

But that is permitted under the carer exclusion. So not sure why the drama is needed.

Because if a child is included it's 'breaking the rules'. If anyone is struggling alone with their child please meet someone else for support.

[AwkwardAsAllGetout]

Nope. We’ve stuck to all guidelines but this is where I’m drawing my own line. I have an 18 month old who has been the most difficult baby and my mental health has suffered enough, regardless of lockdown. I’m already planning to meet a friend as of next week after our other children are dropped at their schools for a walk of a good hour or two each day to keep us from going insane. She’s a self employed beautician who once again has been given sod all notice about having to close, and her partner is self employed too. My dd will be in her pram and will probably (hopefully!) sleep the whole time as the buggy is the only place she reliably naps. She won’t be getting out, and I’ll have the raincover up if I have to. But no way does being a mum to a toddler mean I won’t see anyone else. Enough of this. I hate to think of the poor new mums who have been left to suffer alone through this. It’s cruel

[JeVoudrais]

This thread is so depressing. Maternity leave can be lonely at the best of times, and there are barely any baby classes, all HV appts etc on the phone. I've got a three month old and the thought that people think I am a moron for wondering if I can still meet up with one other person for a walk saddens me. I've got PND and am in the middle of therapy. Hoping that isn't all cancelled due to lockdown again. But adult company even for a short walk is a lifeline to some of us

[Bellesavage]

@Xley90

She just demand feeds, often now she gets nosey at stuff going on so stops feeding too soon then 10 minutes later wants more. I envy those that have a clear 2 hour between feeds schedule! To be fair I could probably get a little walk in if I stay close to home DH could ring me if she starts crying

My babies have been like this. Can't leave them until they're about a year old becuase they feed aaallll the time and refuse solids too stick a rain cover over pram and voila you have a covid screen. Maybe have your mum walk 20 paces ahead with a Walkie talkie

[BlueStethoscope]

I suppose babies in arms don't count.

[Solasum]

@tealcheese the guidance says support groups, including for new parents, are allowed to continue

[LolalovesLondon]

Solo mummy: It is simple because you're still advised to reduce unnecessary contact and your lunch meetups, in your example, are unnecessary so shouldn't happen.
Simple!

I suppose we could all go and sit in our cars and eat our lunch.

[lovelemoncurd]

Early years settings can remain open. Parents are able to form a childcare bubble with another household for the purposes of informal childcare, where the child is 13 or under. As above, some households will also be able to benefit from being in a support bubble,,_ which allows single adult households to join another household.

[wizzler]

Valid question op. Dd was walking me the same yesterday. Can she still walk to school with her two friends? She wants to do the right thing but it's tricky to work out what that is sometimes,

[Lifestooshort1542]

@m0therofdragons

These people are on some kind of pathetic power trip in their own heads!

Or they’re genuinely scared about 4000 people dying per day and are fed up with people trying to justify rule breaking as mn is full of “can I go on holiday” and “can I meet 2 friends but pretend it’s only one really”.

Or maybe MN is actually full of trolls and keyboard warriors who take every opportunity to make shitty comments to people who are asking for advice.

[OverTheRubicon]

I agree about under 6 month olds at least being excluded (and I have none, so am not looking for a loophole here!). It's an isolating time, and babies in slings or prams are so much lower risk than snotty toddlers and primary kids (like mine) who would be running around and licking each other and all the toys...

[Crakeandoryx]

Why are people being so horrible on here?

I'd not bat an eyelid at a baby and a mum meeting another baby and mum. Put baby in a sling and meet a friend!

What is really difficult is those of you with toddlers and other children as well.

Please remember that if your mental health is really suffering there are exceptions. Exceptions are also in place for parents of children with SEN.

This does not apply to everyone and should not be taken advantage of but don't let yourselves get isolated to a point of becoming mentally unwell.

Can we please all try and be a bit kinder to each other on here. I see the "be kind" movement has gone to the wall 🙄

[whatswithtodaytoday]

Honestly, I've followed the rules and been so sensible that friends have said I'm being silly - I've only seen people outdoors, no pubs or restaurants. But I really think a babe in arms doesn't yet count as a person. If you put them in a sling under your coat people might not even notice.

Hopefully the guidance will take this into consideration, but even if it doesn't I would absolutely meet your mum for a walk.

[shitonitbambinos]

It does specifically say you can meet with one other person outside, 'when you are on your own' - I took that to mean in a support bubble type of way - so you aren't out walking etc alone. Don't think it's intended for group,socialisation with children at the park....