Are holidays still allowed?

[pontypridd]

Or going to holiday homes?

@justasking111

When first lockdown hit, many second homes were occupied in my neck of the woods by families who had fled cities. After a bit of muttering by the locals after a month it was realised they had not brought the virus with them because cases did not rise. They stayed for months. I guess they could work from any home.

I think Orkney found the opposite.

I don't have any plans @Purpledaisychain

Just wondered why the government hadn't really mentioned holidays or traveling. And I wondered what people with second homes were likely to do.

In all honesty I felt furious that we'd be missing out on all the 'small stuff' here that's just about keeping us going - whilst other swanned off abroad and to second homes.

@caringcarer

On Sky 10 O'Clock news it said no travel unless for essential work as can't wfh, shopping for food or medicine, caring duties or school drop off and collection.

It's not "essential work", it's just "work" where that can't be done from home. So, most work.

@pontypridd

I don't have any plans *@Purpledaisychain*

Just wondered why the government hadn't really mentioned holidays or traveling. And I wondered what people with second homes were likely to do.

In all honesty I felt furious that we'd be missing out on all the 'small stuff' here that's just about keeping us going - whilst other swanned off abroad and to second homes.

That's one hell of an assumption. Some of us with second homes have worked for 40 years in public services, are perfectly able to assess risks and live a quiet life they have earned through sheer hard work

www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november

And it's never no harm. What if someone gets ill or needs a hospital trip - you're putting extra pressure on the NHS in a different area and potentially denying someone else treatment.

Eh? If I get ill I'll need a hospital place wherever I am. How do you know the hospital at my second home doesn't have more capacity than the one at my primary residence? Maybe I'll be more likely to deny someone treatment (not a stage we're at, by the way) if I selfishly stay at my primary residence and get sick?!

Some of us with second homes have worked for 40 years in public services, are perfectly able to assess risks and live a quiet life they have earned through sheer hard work

Sorry? What does that mean?

I live in Cornwall, and in the last lockdown I got pretty distressed by all the people locally who posted what I thought to be unnecessarily aggressive stuff about second home owners and visitors on social media, and, in some cases, on big signs in the village. However, having read some of the attitudes of second home owners on this thread, I'm starting to think that that aggression was justified. "Part of the community" my arse. What does that mean- you have a cup of tea with your cleaner every now and again?

You got one of those cars that doesn't need fuel then?

Honestly, when this kind of question comes up it just makes it even more clear that people have to fish pretty hard for something problematic about going to a second home.

You really think that a major - or even minor - cause of spread is people with covid touching a petrol pump and then someone else touching it?!

That's one hell of an assumption. Some of us with second homes have worked for 40 years in public services, are perfectly able to assess risks and live a quiet life they have earned through sheer hard work

Good for you. You're still not welcome if you're thinking of joining a Tier 1 area with limited medical infrastructure.

I live in Cornwall, and in the last lockdown I got pretty distressed by all the people locally who posted what I thought to be unnecessarily aggressive stuff about second home owners and visitors on social media, and, in some cases, on big signs in the village. However, having read some of the attitudes of second home owners on this thread, I'm starting to think that that aggression was justified. "Part of the community" my arse. What does that mean- you have a cup of tea with your cleaner every now and again?

Like it or not, the people who own homes in your area have just as much right to the community as you do. They pay council tax same as you do. Not sure what you're on about with the cleaner comment though - some kind of inverted snobbery?

People having to eat free school meals in holidays and scrabbling about down the side of the sofa for loose change, others not seeing relatives for months on end or having to labour alone, and some people demanding ‘JUST WHAT IS THE RISK?’ of going to their second home.

Can you not see the massive compromises that people are making? Just do your fucking bit and stay at home. It’s not bloody brain surgery.

@crackofdoom

I live in Cornwall, and in the last lockdown I got pretty distressed by all the people locally who posted what I thought to be unnecessarily aggressive stuff about second home owners and visitors on social media, and, in some cases, on big signs in the village. However, having read some of the attitudes of second home owners on this thread, I'm starting to think that that aggression was justified. "Part of the community" my arse. What does that mean- you have a cup of tea with your cleaner every now and again?

Second home owners near here pre Covid came about twice a year, how could they possibly be 'part of the community' even if they could speak the same language. Makes me laugh...

Much as I don't agree with any non essential travel (including MPs), it's a fair point made by Summer freeze. If she lives in a city, especially London, she's much more likely to use up a bed space there than in a less under pressure rural area. The very reason London's hospitals got overwhelmed in April (Birmingham too) is because a virus spreads more easily amongst densely housed populations. People are more spread out in holiday home areas - meaning massive spread is less likely.

You really think that a major - or even minor - cause of spread is people with covid touching a petrol pump and then someone else touching it?!

No. And I didn't say that, did I?

I think it's people stopping at petrol stations, where there are other people, going in to pay, wandering around to get milk and M&Ms etc.

Do you think people definitely CAN'T get Covid from petrol pumps, by the way?

Anyway, none of this is about whether someone travelling to a second home will cause more Covid, it's about the fact those are the rules and you're intending to break them.

she's much more likely to use up a bed space there than in a less under pressure rural area.

Less beds!

she's much more likely to use up a bed space there than in a less under pressure rural area.

You don't think the NHS has already considered that rural places have fewer people in them and, as a result, have less hospital beds in the first place? No?

@TiddyTid

she's much more likely to use up a bed space there than in a less under pressure rural area.

Less beds!

Less need.

@Ilovemypantry Maybe the poster is Prince Harry and needs to get back to Frog Cottage for a short stay before he starts having to pay US taxes? as he is rumoured to be doing.

@VanGoghsDog

she's much more likely to use up a bed space there than in a less under pressure rural area.

You don't think the NHS has already considered that rural places have fewer people in them and, as a result, have less hospital beds in the first place? No?

Only two places had overwhelmed hospitals in April. They weren't rural (and this was when quite a lot of second home owners AND returning young adult locals travelled there). It was London and Birmingham

High density housing = more people catch the virus.

I think it's people stopping at petrol stations, where there are other people, going in to pay, wandering around to get milk and M&Ms etc.

I pay at the pump using an app on my phone

Do you think people definitely CAN'T get Covid from petrol pumps, by the way?

Not if they use gloves.

Travelling to a second home is twattish though.

No.

@SeverusSnape1

Holidays were allowed during the first lockdown so I don't see why that would change now.

I assume a holiday to Durham would still be totally fine. Especially if you are actively infected. It’s what any reasonable parent would do.

Well I have a second home in France and I didn't even go in the summer this year. Not all with a second home are idiots who try to flour rules. I will be staying at home and only going out for school drop off and pick up.