Are holidays still allowed?

[pontypridd]

Or going to holiday homes?

Sorry if I came across harsh just then OP. But the government has said we could be looking at 4000 deaths a day if we don't take action now. And on the very same evening, someone is on here wanting to manipulate what was said so they can go on holiday?!

Belch it’s totally fine if it’s unavoidable for work

I think we may be able to avoid it. Unfortunately, it is impossible to get there before Thursday.

pretty clear from gov.uk

Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed- including holidays in the UK and abroad. This includes staying in a second home, if you own one, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with. There are specific exceptions, for example if you need to stay away from home (including in a second home) for work purposes.

Why? Is your first home a tent?

Absolute winner

On Sky 10 O'Clock news it said no travel unless for essential work as can't wfh, shopping for food or medicine, caring duties or school drop off and collection.

When first lockdown hit, many second homes were occupied in my neck of the woods by families who had fled cities. After a bit of muttering by the locals after a month it was realised they had not brought the virus with them because cases did not rise. They stayed for months. I guess they could work from any home.

Sumnerfreeze I haven’t broken any rules. As a single mum of course I socialised on the rare occasions I could.

You’re still not persuading anyone that the rules don’t apply to you.

@overtherainbow88, children still have to attend school. How can you go to your holiday home if you have children?

I'm highly cynical. I think it will worth keeping an eye in the airports, checking flight radar, etc to get an idea of whether there's going to be a genuine attempt to restrict international travel. How many 'work' trips will continue.
Perhaps I should be more trusting?

Why? Is your first home a tent?

Not exactly. Freezing weather means burst pipes unless they are drained.

@Summerfreeze

It's massively disrespectful to local communities, I should imagine nobody wants second home owners faffing about escaping their own lockdowns. They certainly don't here. Spreading the virus about and thinking they're exempt from what everyone else has to follow

I'm part of that local community, given that I own a house, spend time there (albeit not the majority of my time) and pay council tax (in both locations). So I don't really have to think about what the 'community' thinks as I'm part of it.

It's great that you think you are 👍

You’re still not persuading anyone that the rules don’t apply to you.

I don't have to. But your non-rule breaking actions are far more likely to spread the virus than my rule breaking. If what we actually care about is not spreading the virus (rather than being mini police) then we should be more concerned about your behaviour than mine.

It's great that you think you are

Excellent attempt at passive aggression. It's not really a case of what I think - I own my house and pay council tax, same as everyone else who lives there. I don't really care what they think about when I choose to occupy my own house.

If you go to a second home you potentially contribute to...

• supermarkets not having the right food in the right places, because the population has altered
• hospitals being under pressure, if you’re unlucky enough to have taken covid with you, or if you trip down the stairs, or have a stroke
• if you have covid, you could transmit it to your Tesco delivery man, or someone when you stop for petrol
• the fact of driving (presumably a fair distance otherwise why bother with the second home) put you at risk of an accident (pressure on hospitals) or a breakdown (causing more work and travel by others)

Yes, they’re all low/unlikely risks. But much like voting the point is that the actions of individuals contribute to the wider whole.

I really hope your holiday home is nowhere near me

@Summerfreeze

It's great that you think you are

Excellent attempt at passive aggression. It's not really a case of what I think - I own my house and pay council tax, same as everyone else who lives there. I don't really care what they think about when I choose to occupy my own house.

Yep. All this.

@Carrotghoul : My thoughts too.

I think it is about appreciating that no wo/man is an island.

So person A sets off, in the car, to travel to their 2nd home to visit.
It's not "essential", but they want a change of scene.
They have no intention of meeting anyone else, either en-route, or while there.

But they break down en-route, so have to call out breakdown services.
Enter, breakdown person, Mr B.

But, he can't fix it roadside, so has to tow them to nearest garage where mechanic C has a look.

Car needs a new part, which he can't get today, so now Ms A needs to book into hotel - checked in by receptionist D. etc etc

Or, road accident with Ambulance personnel, Nurses, Doctors etc have to be involved.

Any of these are as a result of an unnecessary journey in the first place.

@Carrotghoul

To be hopes none of you 'essentially travelling' between homes have car accidents and end up in the covid riddled hospitals because you didn't want to stay home so took unnecessary car journeys.

And end up being fined when they take your details, including your address , in hospital.

I have a friend who does 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off in two residences with his wife as a rule. They're travelling to their second residence tomorrow, returning on Wednesday and staying put.

Because they understand what the law says.

This thread makes me so grateful to be in Australia. Some of you are absolute dicks. What is this obsession with having to go on holiday, push the rules, try and “out wit” the guidelines?

FFS so many people not able to cope without a trip to a second home. Sorry but this is so clear. And it's never no harm. What if someone gets ill or needs a hospital trip - you're putting extra pressure on the NHS in a different area and potentially denying someone else treatment. Usually the system can manage it but not now. It's just totally self absorbed and not on. I find it really surprising how many people think like this.

@Summerfreeze

Are you for real? Imagine if half the population had a second home and were shuffling the virus around the country all through lockdown, think it would work then?

Firstly, this is a straw man argument as half the population don't have a second home so we don't need to debate it.

Secondly, even if they did, if they all went back and forth to their homes in the way that I do (working from home and driving door to door) then the risk is really very minimal of any 'shuffling'.

You got one of those cars that doesn't need fuel then?

So my Mum lives in France - I assume this means that if she gets ill I can't go and see her. At all. What a rock of shit.

I'm highly cynical. I think it will worth keeping an eye in the airports, checking flight radar, etc to get an idea of whether there's going to be a genuine attempt to restrict international travel

Well you can try policing it that way but flight radar and the other tracker apps won't really help you that much.

They don't give you the passenger numbers on each flight and they doesn't necessarily tell you which flights "wearing" a passenger flight number or callsign are being operated carrying freight only - and there's still a lot of that going on, especially in Long haul.

I suspect that the number of flight will be drastically cut. Airlines can't afford to fly with near empty planes.