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I've just woke up and read we may be heading for a National lockdown

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hollywoodhills · 31/10/2020 05:55

I think I must have been living under a rock the last few days as this is the first I've heard of it.

I've tried not to read the news too much as it just worries me.

I'm really in a panic now. How will we all get through a winter lockdown? The summer one was bad enough but at least we had the sun and bright days.

I was so happy to have my job back, my company will not survive another full lockdown.

If the school close I feel that will be disastrous. My dc have loved being back and have literally skipped into school every day since September. I really hope the schools will stay open.

How the hell can I organize Christmas like this!

I can feel myself getting really stressed out and worried about everything.

I can't believe I couldn't see this coming sooner!

OP posts:
Lardlizard · 31/10/2020 10:23

Op I’m just the same I avoid the news quite a lot, probably why I’m in my own bubble a lot !
But I’m also a bit shocked and fella. It like wtf is actually going on so no real advice just to say You are not alone

maureenfrombarnsley · 31/10/2020 10:31

The logic seems to be "let's kill ourselves before the virus gets the chance". It's utter madness.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 31/10/2020 10:34

@Itisbetter

The original post reads like a summing up of headlines for the last few weeks so I expect if OP doesn’t read the papers someone very close to her does. Most people don’t want themselves or those they love or anyone dying in hospital corridors or at home because there are no more beds in the hospital. So the ONLY option is to reduce contact among the population and slow the spread so we can slow numbers needing care. So yes it may go on with brief respites but we have no choice.

The virus cannot be managed out of our lives unless we are willing to shut our borders and create safe zones by far harder restrictions. Personally I think if an area can maintain tier 1 status for a significant amount of time then they should be considered a candidate for a safe zone, isolated from the rest of the country and free within the borders to do as they please.

But even here, in Tier 1, our numbers are rising. I'd rather circuit breaker/Tier4/lockdown NOW than wait until it's 'caught up' with other places.
WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 31/10/2020 10:37

@JinglingHellsBells

If people had followed the rules all along we wouldn't need this.

I know MN is not real life but I have been sickened for months by the posters on her saying they are not following the rules.

Maybe now they will wind their necks in and start behaving less selfishly.

Scarily they just seem to be shouting louder that they're not going to follow the rules.

Yapping about their freedoms & needing to go out/have 30 people for their child's first birthday etc

🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️

pontypridd · 31/10/2020 10:39

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Lardlizard · 31/10/2020 10:41

Why couldn’t we just have had two weeks oct half term

MaxNormal · 31/10/2020 10:41

Yapping about their freedoms & needing to go out/have 30 people for their child's first birthday etc

Wind your neck in. People are suffering real hardships, how dare you undermine that.

fetchmemyparasol · 31/10/2020 10:42

If you disagree to the lock down here is a link to sign a petition. I appreciate this is my view only

twitter.com/hashtag/Lockdown2?src=hashtag_click

jessstan1 · 31/10/2020 10:46

I think it is a good thing, it should have happened before.

Gladysthesphinx · 31/10/2020 10:49

It just shows how magnificently well the first lockdown worked.
Brace yourself OP, because unless our leaders start to show a bit of realism & courage it will be like this for the foreseeable future. Not just November. Debate shut down, opponents of lockdown smeared and insulted, small businesses collapsing, avoidable deaths from cancer, strokes & heart disease, mass unemployment, suicides, the elderly brutally separated from their families and rotting in loneliness, solitary birthdays, school education in disarray, social disadvantage widening, the economy collapsing. And panicking, desperately conformist people reacting aggressively to anyone who points out these...slight drawbacks. Waiting for a vaccine that may well not prevent infection in those actually at risk from Covid- the very frail & elderly with naturally weak immune systems.

Lockdowns are just great. And they’ve worked so well!

Karol Sikora (senior cancer specialist) is a good person to look up on Twitter. A decent reasonable & humane man who expresses his concerns about lockdown in a civilised way. Difficult for the hysterics to smear him.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 31/10/2020 10:51

@MaxNormal

Yapping about their freedoms & needing to go out/have 30 people for their child's first birthday etc

Wind your neck in. People are suffering real hardships, how dare you undermine that.

I'm not. I'm talking about the type of people I specified. FFS
Laufeythejust · 31/10/2020 10:55

I agree that the lockdown is needed but I really think this time people will struggle. It was scary seeing how much a colleague who lives alone had declined during lockdown. Skype can only support people so much. I WFH still and I have been struggling with the feeling of isolation, I’ve thrown myself into the gym which has really helped but I’m worried once they close again.

There’s always someone worse off but I think everyone is going to struggle this time, the bad weather and less sunlight won’t help it just feels bleak. I just hope we stick to it and it works so we don’t have to keep extending it through winter.

Chloemol · 31/10/2020 10:57

I think any one with any common sense, ( and let’s not forget that according to MN lots of posters have common sense as they are always being told to use it rather than follow the rules) has seen this coming for the last couple of weeks, with all the fighting against by Councils to go into higher tiers, with all the posts over social media saying they are not going to adhere to current rules, with the shambles of track and trace, with the economy opening up and SD being forgotten about, with everything that’s happening in Europe with countries there locking down again. Indeed there is a school of thought that has always thought there would need to be a second lockdown in the winter

I don’t see why people are surprised it’s coming. Read back on old posts, you were all warned what would happen

This is not just the Governments fault, (yes track and trace should be better, but they have a balancing act between saving lives, , saving the nhs from being overwhelmed and restarting the economy) but also the result of each and every person not following the rules.

This is not the only Government potentially locking down again

onedayinthefuture · 31/10/2020 11:04

One thing is for sure, masks are making fuck all difference.

FlyingSquid · 31/10/2020 11:09

@SqidgeBum

I am about to give birth. My due date is monday. I am facing a dark, wet, miserable winter without parks to go to if its lashing rain, or softplay, or playgroups, or seeing any family or friends. I dont have school or work to keep a sense of a routine or keep my kids mental health going. I have to somehow entertain and fulfill a 2 year old within 4 walls all day, with a newborn, alone.

I am so done with this. So utterly done.

It’s very rough on you and anyone in that position. Do you have a partner who can give you a break sometimes?

Your baby will at least have a sibling for, erm, stimulation and excitement. A playpen is handy if you have one (to keep the baby safe from the marauding toddler while you go to the loo - or do painting etc). Books, music, too much TV, whatever it takes to get through a wet day.

Hope the birth goes well!

Lillygolightly · 31/10/2020 11:10

This has been coming for ages, it’s really not a shock.

Since the schools opened it’s all just gone so rapidly down hill. I have a year 11 and year 6 child, so two different school. The secondary school don’t inform or advise to isolate after a positive case in the same class/group, they now only let pupils know to do this if they know there has been close contact, and only if that contact was for longer than 15 minutes. At the primary school, drop off and collection is a joke, all the classes are supposed to exit school and be collected at specific times to reduce parents and different year groups mixing. Little point to this when parents are stood shoulder to shoulder having themselves a good natter, without masks, and continuing to stand there chatting long after their children have come out of school, and while their children run around mixing with other year groups/classes!

During the first lockdown we as a whole family shielded due to living with and caring for extremely vulnerable family member. That family member lost their life a little over 3 weeks into the lockdown. We tried hard to get end of life care and pain relief administered, sadly due to Covid and lockdown this did not happen. It’s been one of the most traumatic things I’ve ever been through. By the way family member did not have or die of coronavirus.

One thing that this has brought home to me is that despite what happened to us being bad, there were and there are people suffering much worse. No life is ever expendable, there are so many people dying and to many, these are just statistics, numbers on a page, but behind those numbers are people, family, loved ones....real people!

I think the government have done an extremely poor job handling this virus/pandemic and certainly I don’t relish a lockdown, school closures or whatever may come. I don’t see what other reasonable courses of action there is left to take. We can save lives now, mitigate risks now, and yes the economy and mental health will be hanging in the balance. If you or a loved one were ill, what would rather? That there was hospital bed, ventilator, care when they/you needed it, or struggling to get that same care and feeling as though you/they were sacrificed for the economy? That sacrifice whilst needed in part, as we of course do need an economy isn’t going to be of much comfort and consolation when you are dead or have lost a loved one.

I don’t believe that the R rate will drop to below 1 with these new measures if I am honest, and it’s all too little far too late as is usual with this government. Personally I think the government knew the tier system was a crap shoot, but it made them look like they were doing something, and when it didn’t work they could blame it on the public not following the rules, and hold their hands up, point the finger and say look....not our fault!!

The reality is, is that this virus is going nowhere fast. It’s been shown that immunity doesn’t last very long, and there have been cases of reinfection. That puts heard immunity out of the window, so we now all rely and wait on a vaccine. If track and trace is anything to go by, the manufacture and delivery of this vaccine is going to take a long time to roll out to the vast majority of people. I think we have another 12 months at least of dealing with this situation, sad as it is to think that. I’m sad about my children, I’ve a toddler who would love to play with friends their own age, a teen who is worried about GCSE’s, and my 10 year old is really struggling. The important thing to remember, and what I keep telling myself and my children is that this is not forever, it’s just for now.

Thewordgame · 31/10/2020 11:13

Oooh another lockdown, and what will happen when it is lifted? It’s not a solution, it’s a form of denial. We need to keep everything open and running- vulnerable need to shield/take care.

Threeweirdsisters · 31/10/2020 11:16

@Thewordgame have you actually read any of the news reports? Your ‘solution’ is unworkable, the NHS will collapse without a lockdown. The vulnerable shielding is no solution I’m afraid - a large proportion of the hospital admissions are young women 20-40.

HeronLanyon · 31/10/2020 11:19

liky I am so sorry you went through that. I lost both parents over the last 2 years but before Covid. I am so sorry for everyone who is dealing with illness and bereavement with Covid restrictions on top

muddyford · 31/10/2020 11:23

A couple of evenings ago, on our local BBC television news, some nauseatingly upbeat reporter asked a chap how he felt. Despondent. Why does he feel despondent? He gave her a filthy look from his otherwise masked face. "We can't do anything, we can't go anywhere and we can't plan anything.". Then a happy teenage psychologist was wheeled on and said that was a normal response to the situation. Multiply that by 60 million and that is the state of this nation's mental health. How on earth do we all endure yet another lockdown?

midgebabe · 31/10/2020 11:24

Indeed what will happen when it's lifted?

Will they have sorted out testing and tracing?
Will they be supporting people who need to self isolate?
Will they have worked out what restrictions are most critical to keep in place ?
Will they keep importing new cases?
Will they repeatedly go for long drawn out subsequent lockdowns too late rather than act hard and quickly ?

Ecosse · 31/10/2020 11:24

It’s such a shame that the government are still basing policy on the discredited and scaremongering Imperial projections. Nowhere in the world has had deaths in proportion to the 600,000 they predicted here in March.

To have 4000 deaths a day as they’re predicting, you’d need more than a million cases a day. There is no evidence that is even possible given the levels of immunity in many areas.

Even King’s College London are saying these Imperial figures are just nonsense. They have predicted a doubling time of 28 days, which would not overwhelm the NHS.

It is all beyond me why shielding was not reintroduced on a voluntary and funded basis weeks ago. This would have reduced hospital admissions substantially.

Reesewitherknife · 31/10/2020 11:29

I drop my dc off at their secondary school each day, the kids are basically rubbing shoulders in huge crowds. Keeping schools and universities open during a second lockdown will do nothing to keep the numbers down. Young people do not adhere to social distancing no matter how much it is drummed into them. All that another lock down will do is dig the grave further for the poor small business owners who are already hanging onto life by the skin of their teeth like my best friend who’s 20 year old business is about to collapse. And whatever happens I will NOT stop seeing my parents each day. Mum has Alzheimer’s and my 80 year old dad has high blood pressure and caring for my mum has tipped him over the edge since the virus hit, if they have no visitors then I worry he is at risk of a heart attack. He is already extremely depressed and stressed. Support charities have not seen them this year and the hospital won’t see my mum for her 6 monthly dementia checks, they’ve just wiped their hands on them and left them to it, god only knows what is happening to people without family to check on them. This government doesn’t give a shit about the vulnerable and I honestly believe they want to give up on them. I’m waiting on a biopsy appointment at my local hospital and have been told it’s going to some time due to Covid. I don’t think we live in a first world country anymore, people are being left to fend for themselves and it’ll get worse. The government does not give a shit about us.

Venicelover · 31/10/2020 11:32

This will not be sorted until schools and universities and colleges are included in the lockdown. Not palatable, but the only way, but the about-face required by the Govt means that won't happen now, but it will have to happen downstream.

OR we just accept that the virus will run its course and everyone has to do what they need to do to protect themselves and their families.

I feel desperately sorry for those who have issues arising from this that rob them of choice. There but for the grace of God go all of us. None of us know what is round the next corner, so we all need to be kinder to everyone as we don't know what struggles they are facing.

Torvean32 · 31/10/2020 11:34

National better not include Scotland. We've all gone through lockdowns that were not implemented in England. So BoJo should have no say over us.

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