I've just woke up and read we may be heading for a National lockdown

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I think I must have been living under a rock the last few days as this is the first I've heard of it.

I've tried not to read the news too much as it just worries me.

I'm really in a panic now. How will we all get through a winter lockdown? The summer one was bad enough but at least we had the sun and bright days.

I was so happy to have my job back, my company will not survive another full lockdown.

If the school close I feel that will be disastrous. My dc have loved being back and have literally skipped into school every day since September. I really hope the schools will stay open.

How the hell can I organize Christmas like this!

I can feel myself getting really stressed out and worried about everything.

I can't believe I couldn't see this coming sooner!

I don't think we'll being going into a lockdown nationally, only the hardest hit areas. We're in a tier system. Although it's possible that every area is moving onto the highest level of every area is high risk. What would be good, and what is imminent, is the new communications lead from the government, who will put out the updates and briefings everyday. Then we can avoid the shit stirring politically biased MSN who seeks to serve the public fear, twists and lies everyday to serve its own agenda. We'll be able to hear what's actually happening straight from the horses mouth instead. So please don't all rush out there and start emptying the bloody shelves again. There will be enough for everyone as long as you just shop normally.

Apparently (Telegraph) BJ is also doing this because the polls have shown the public is behind another lockdown (if it’s for a certain amount of time).

Its awful. I don’t mind so much for myself I was on the shielded list and working from home all along so myself and family have been going above and beyond since it began.
However, my dad died during lockdown and my elderly mum got quite down unsurprisingly. So since restrictions were lifted I have been visiting my mum one day a week and taking her out (which she has really enjoyed and appreciated). We were in a tier one area which has changed to a tier two area as of today so I won’t be able to visit my mum or take her out anywhere. She is late 70’s and has lost her confidence, doesn’t really tolerate the cold well, doesn’t drive and couldn’t get anywhere to meet me. She has taken the new lockdown rules very hard but as my single grumpy brother lives with her we can’t form a bubble with her. We have two teens of different sexes at home and don’t have room for her to live with us due to bedroom space.
It’s going to be so hard for people a second lock down in the winter and so many people are still bending and flaunting the rules.

As someone living in an area with few cases and who has been sensible throughout, I'm failing to see why I am being punished because those living in areas with high cases don't appear to be able to exercise some self-restraint. I'm in Wales so have already been locked down at until the 9th (if you believe a politician that it won't be longer). I live alone, I can't even take advantage of the dispensation for single people because everyone I know (who isn't already bubbled) lives outside the county. I've had enough.

I don't even think that another lockdown will work. It relies on full compliance, particularly from those in high risk areas. If people in some of these areas were already ignoring rules about indoor gatherings, what makes anyone think that they'll pay attention to stricter rules?

Boris basically just seems to agree with the last person who shouts at him, so now Sunak will shout at him for a bit quite rightly about mass unemployment, and the measures announced will actually be pretty mild. Also the Tory Party and press tends to be quite sceptical about lockdown, so there'll be a massive backlash from them.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

And then what? What do we do in January? Just shut again?

Where does it end? When we have all died of depression/poverty?

Why isn’t the government discussing T cell immunity? Why isn’t it dolling out high strength vitamin d.

Someone is set to make a lot of money from the current strategy. And isn’t the public!!!!!

This with bells on. The data doesn’t support lockdown as a tactic it has just become a baseless ideology, what happened to following the science? The science now show the modelling was wrong and lock down doesn’t work, the herd immunity method has been successful elsewhere, we can’t go on with this, the economy is on its knees. Protect the vulnerable, the rest of us need to go out and catch it.

I doubt it will be a lockdown. People are over it and won't comply and it is too risky for our economy. I think we will be told we area on a circuit breaker.

The language used is very important:

Lockdown = hysteria
Circuit breaker = bummer, but I'll do it, because it is only for short while and helps everyone.

The theory is this will.be for 4 week

You've got to be kidding.

Why isn’t it dolling out high strength vitamin d.

I'm severely vitamin D deficient. The vitamin D you can buy over the counter is a lot stronger than the ones given on prescription and only 99p. A lot cheaper than a prescription.

What happens to.builders?

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

And then what? What do we do in January? Just shut again?

Where does it end? When we have all died of depression/poverty?

Why isn’t the government discussing T cell immunity? Why isn’t it dolling out high strength vitamin d.

Someone is set to make a lot of money from the current strategy. And isn’t the public!!!!!

This!!! I am many others are utterly distraught

Business in massive debt or closing /depression how much longer can this go on for

The only thing I haven’t seen mentioned (although may have missed) is if there’ll be anything new when it comes to working from home.
At the minute I’m believe I’m right in saying that the guidance is to work from home if you can, which isn’t the same as March when it was you must work from home if you can.
I worked from home initially, but they brought us back into the office from July. Work are so keen on keeping us in so won’t send us home again voluntarily, does anyone know or reckon if the rule on working from home will be changing again?

@Frauhubert

Hurrrah, we will be locked up till spring, then two weeks later ‘oh dear, the virus is spreading again, what a complete surprise. Everybody back in the house!’ I am done with this shit so bad. I have lost everything. My business that i worked for the last 12 years, my sanity, i can’t take this anymore. I see the spring insomnia rolling in again where i lied awake till 4am every night. Oh great. I can’t wait for another lockdown to ‘save lives’. Mine is done now

I feel for you darling the whole thing is a shit show

Seems like the msm has done its work spreading fear and panic amongst people then. I expect they're very proud of themselves. Introducing a tier 4 for the worst hit areas does not equal a national lockdown ffs.

@WingBingo

Mum mum? My mum that should say.

Sorry to hear that x

The vitamin D you can buy over the counter is a lot stronger than the ones given on prescription and only 99p. A lot cheaper than a prescription.

I’m sure that’s true, but I think what she means is that why on earth aren’t they telling people to take it? There is a 6-month trial going on to assess effectiveness, by the time it’s over it will be spring.

And these are the people deciding lockdown is sensible and proportionate. It’s an absolute outrage, we are about to destroy our country to kick the can down the road and make it go on longer.

I have no idea who they are asking in these polls, no one I know thinks that.

As far as I understand the continued death rate is still massively affecting those 80+. The overwhelming majority of people hospitalised and dying are elderly. Why are they still catching this virus?? How?? As much as I don't agree with locking anyone away, something is going very wrong. No one is even willing to try just protecting the vulnerable.

@LunaLula83

You can let the kids sleep in. We did in summer and ate breakfast at 9 even my 2 yr old. Stock up now on crafty bits, puzzles, games. Go to hobbycraft, the works abd poundland. Get yourself some books, mags and reinstate an afternoon film with a box of smarties each or fruit snacks in a box - make it fun. You'll be fine. And buy a few xmas treats now ready.

Oh you have the sit quietly and colour in and sleep in type of kids, do you? One of my three children is this type also. The other two, not so much.

@onedayinthefuture they catch it in hospital and in care homes.

@Teateaandmoretea seeing as hospitals are dirty places that doesn't surprise me at all. It's shocking.

@LunaLula83 are you for real seriously? Get into the real world where people have lost their jobs and are scared for the future. Where people are worried about the long term health of children.

@onedayinthefuture
www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ongoing-problem-of-hospital-acquired-infections-across-the-uk/

The original post reads like a summing up of headlines for the last few weeks so I expect if OP doesn’t read the papers someone very close to her does. Most people don’t want themselves or those they love or anyone dying in hospital corridors or at home because there are no more beds in the hospital. So the ONLY option is to reduce contact among the population and slow the spread so we can slow numbers needing care. So yes it may go on with brief respites but we have no choice.

The virus cannot be managed out of our lives unless we are willing to shut our borders and create safe zones by far harder restrictions. Personally I think if an area can maintain tier 1 status for a significant amount of time then they should be considered a candidate for a safe zone, isolated from the rest of the country and free within the borders to do as they please.

"Save Christmas" is ludicrous. The very idea that a country would annihilate its entire national economy in order to ensure that some people can eat roast lunch with family on the 25th? Utter madness.

And it won't happen. The lockdown will be like March. 3 weeks. Then another 3 weeks. Then another 3 weeks. Etc. Anyone who believes that this will be short, that Christmas will be "saved" 😂 and that the economy won't be totally wrecked isn't terribly clever.

Without a healthy economy, the NHS will have to be privatised. There won't be any cash left to fund it.

I wish the Torys would hurry up and roll Boris so that someone with a tighter grip on national security and reality can get on with running the country. This is an international economic war - get Rishi Sunak in front to save all the Christmases the economy.

I've had the misfortune of seeing family members and my own child in intensive care. What I saw was disgraceful. Parents visiting their own seriously sick kids and they just walk on by the wash basins.