Are we heading for another national lockdown

[thebeachismyhappyplace2]

Do you think we are going in the same direction as France and Germany? And do you think schools will stay open if we do?

[quote Ecosse]@studychick81

Lots of young and healthy people are dying of this too

Scaremongering nonsense- only 307 people under 60 with no underlying conditions have died with COVID.[/quote]
Didn't we debunk this already on a previous thread with lots of evidence, and in lots of different angles?

I'm too tired of this. I give up.

[quote Ecosse]@studychick81

Lots of young and healthy people are dying of this too

Scaremongering nonsense- only 307 people under 60 with no underlying conditions have died with COVID.[/quote]
Again with this bullshit. I've seen you write this on numerous threads to have the true numbers presented to you. It's getting boring now.

I am worried about a lockdown with schools open, I don't want to see them closed but without that I don't know if it can work and we don't want to lockdown ineffectively.

@Eyewhisker

All the lockdown will achieve is delaying when we get a vaccine. The vaccines need people to get infected to check whether the vaccine works. The slower the spread of the virus, the longer that takes.

And the prize for the most stupid post on the thread goes to.........

There are apparently 100,000 people catching the disease DAILY in the Uk alone. I’m pretty certain we can find the required number

[quote Beebityboo]@southeastdweller that's a fucking disgusting post and you should be ashamed of yourself.[/quote]
Well I'm not so judge me all you want.

Whoknowswhocares And yet thankfully only a tiny % are dying from it. I’ve had several family members catch it. 67 is the oldest age in my family. He is currently sat up in bed following pneumonia treatment.

He says he feels like shit.

They have the data to show schools are the equivalent to Cheltenham 5 days a week. They know. But parents demented over schools opening. Its only a matter of time before schools close. Depending on the length of the lockdown, and compliance with it, we will see either a bigger reduction in positive cases, or a smaller reduction in positive cases. What it won't do is bring the numbers down quickly enough to open up in December. Even closing schools won't bring the numbers down to that of August, in time to open up the economy in December. This is because of the incubation period, and the lag between positive test and possible hospitalisation, and then length of hospital stay. Evenbifvwe go into lockdown next week, I think we have an avalanche headed our way for end of November. So if schools close I can see that happening first week of December. Its just intuition. And the decision will be ultimately made out of sheer panic.

If I decide that the lives of thick, selfish people are worth less than the lives of decent, moral people, would it be OK to cull -you- them?

@southeastdweller can you elaborate on whose lives you think are not as important as others? It's like I'm living in a parallel universe. Since when is this kind of shitty comment acceptable?

@Inkpaperstars

I am worried about a lockdown with schools open, I don't want to see them closed but without that I don't know if it can work and we don't want to lockdown ineffectively.

I share this concern. If we are going to do it, we need to do it in a way that will work and make it worthwhile.

Does everyone work 24/7? You know school work can be supported in the evenings and at weekends right?

Working with your teens for an hour or 2 each evening and a day at the weekend would work and doesn't require you to lose your job.

Honestly. People would rather other people die than their teens do remote learning. It's disturbing.

Lockdown without secondary schools and universities closing will be useless and worse than useless as businesses will be ruined for nothing

And as I have said before if you're worried about vulnerable kids don't wait for a pandemic to act. Do you really think kids should be living with violent abusers or in situations of complete neglect usually? Is it ok so long as they get a few hours off of being abused at school? Bizarre attitudes

Ecosse, you pop up relentlessly on these threads bewailing that a whole generation of kids are going to die at 40 because they've missed a term and a half of school....

I wonder how often you ask your children what they're actually learning about with their useless, expendable teachers. Do you care?

It's about childcare, not education for you and you're fooling no one.

[quote Ecosse]@studychick81

Lots of young and healthy people are dying of this too

Scaremongering nonsense- only 307 people under 60 with no underlying conditions have died with COVID.[/quote]
Do you understand what the ‘underlying conditions’ can be? If you’ve ever taken anti depressants or had depression, pnd etc, that is classed as having an underlying condition. They are not necessarily conditions that actually made you more vulnerable but a great way of ‘othering’ people and making those hard of thinking believe ‘I’m alright Jack!’.

@TheHoneyBadger

And as I have said before if you're worried about vulnerable kids don't wait for a pandemic to act. Do you really think kids should be living with violent abusers or in situations of complete neglect usually? Is it ok so long as they get a few hours off of being abused at school? Bizarre attitudes

Completely agree with this. All those who keep going on about schools needing to be open due to vulnerable children being abused otherwise, have never mentioned it before Covid. Shouldn’t the aim be that these vulnerable children are protected all the time, not just for the few hours of school a day??

Oh well if it's only 306 so far then that's ok. We should sacrifice anymore for the greater good. So these people lives aren't worth as much as someone else's then. That's how many so far, who knows how many the next wave could claim.

I am not scaremongering, I was just answering the poster who was saying that it's not worth protecting the vulnerable as they are all in care homes anyway and don't have long left anyway. The poster sounded like they were assuming this was the case for ALL people on the vulnerable list and so it's not worth a lockdown over.

In fact anyone concerned about safeguarding children are welcome to come to work with me.....ah no it doesn't pay the same rate as Management consultantancy. Shame cos there are loads of vacancies going.

@BanditoShipman

No it’s not. The 307 figure comes straight from the NHS who only count ‘other conditions’ that increase the risk from COVID.

As rates continue to go up schools will be effectively locked down anyhow. So many bubbles will be out at one time.

@willitbetonight

95% of DC are not absent from school for COVID related reasons.

Yet some are desperate to close schools and have 100% of students absent. It is madness.

[quote Ecosse]@BanditoShipman

No it’s not. The 307 figure comes straight from the NHS who only count ‘other conditions’ that increase the risk from COVID.[/quote]
That isn’t true

[quote Ecosse]@BanditoShipman

No it’s not. The 307 figure comes straight from the NHS who only count ‘other conditions’ that increase the risk from COVID.[/quote]
Have you looked at the ONS reports? Conditions such as learning disability and depression are among the underlying conditions categories into which coronavirus deaths are divided.

(And I knew one of those 300-odd young, healthy people who died. He shouldn't have done.)

Why are the lives of 85 year olds more important to you than the lives of teenagers now who have their whole lives ahead of them

Who has stated that lives of 85 year olds are more important than the lives of teenagers?

Is it because COVID is the only thing you care about and all the deprivation, loss of education, denial of treatment for other conditions (25,000 excess deaths from non-COVID causes at home this year) and mental health issues do not matter

Jesus Christ. Give me strength!

Have you looked at the ONS reports? Conditions such as learning disability and depression are among the underlying conditions categories into which coronavirus deaths are divided

Have you got a link to that?

Please could Captain, now Sir & Colonel, Tom Moore be allowed to survive the cull of those with less valuable lives?