Are we heading for another national lockdown

[thebeachismyhappyplace2]

Do you think we are going in the same direction as France and Germany? And do you think schools will stay open if we do?

Poor grammar there - not all lives are equally important is what I should have said.

Yes I’ve just seen breaking news too that we are going into national lockdown next week.

Lockdown but keeping schools open as normal isn't going to be enough.
I desperately hope parents are given a choice because the idea of sending them back in to this mess next week makes me feel sick. As a disabled person I am just so scared all of the time .

WhyNotMe40 but what about business owners like me? Really. Should my kids lose their house because of someone they will never meet?

You really do y know understand the stress this is putting on business owners. I can’t go on furlough. What about me and my kids?

[quote Ecosse]@Ijustcantcope

It’s not about ‘struggling with home schooling’. ‘Blended learning’, ‘online school’- call it whatever you want. It means that the most disadvantaged DC (and many others) receive no education at all. Because they do not have the equipment, facilities or support.

Given the extent to which education impacts life chances and therefore life expectancy, this will result in people living shorter lives than they would have done had they received an education.

Why are the lives of 85 year olds more important to you than the lives of teenagers now who have their whole lives ahead of them?

Is it because COVID is the only thing you care about and all the deprivation, loss of education, denial of treatment for other conditions (25,000 excess deaths from non-COVID causes at home this year) and mental health issues do not matter?[/quote]
I have worked with vulnerable children all my life. I very much doubt you have. You’re only banging this drum now as you want your children in school. Schools weren’t supposed to ever shut to vulnerable children, however, like everything the government does it was shit so it didn’t enforce vulnerable children remaining in school along with those of key workers. Which it should have done.

However, you can’t let a virus swamp a society, have people dying on trolleys, refrigerated morgue lorries like in New York, because you want to keep all children in school so vulnerable children are in. There is a better way to do it. And if you have to do a bit of homeschooling then tough shit.

@thebeachismyhappyplace2 welcome back to the thread.

If secondary schools stay fully open this lockdown will fail.

@thebeachismyhappyplace2

Yes I’ve just seen breaking news too that we are going into national lockdown next week.

Link please

@Dustysilkflowers here's Boris Johnson will announce a national coronavirus lockdown NEXT WEEK
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Destroying the lives of the young to save the elderly is madness. Who would want to be 20 now?

[quote monkeytennis97]@thebeachismyhappyplace2 welcome back to the thread.

If secondary schools stay fully open this lockdown will fail.
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And if we close schools down society will fail

@Polkadotties

Daily Mail now reporting there will be a national lockdown next week

They also report Weeks of Artic Conditions & 6' of snow each winter...

We are locked down here in Ireland for a few weeks now- 4 weeks to go

It's in The Times too not just the DM.

Is Boris planning to make millions unemployed in order that the retired can have a good Christmas. Insane beyond belief.

These are people’s futures. All destroyed to give those who have had a full life a couple more years.

That does suggest essential shops will shut and non essential ones stay open, :)

Tomorrow's Times reporting:

https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1322294630906503171?s=21

It's a harsh truth but I'm going to say it. Not everyone's lives are as important as others, and this obsession with keeping everyone alive will ultimately do us all no favours.

That’s not a truth. It’s an opinion.

There is literally no point locking down if schools stay open as they are now.

According to The Times, the measure would see all non-essential businesses closed, and only essential shops, schools, universities and nurseries will be allowed to remain open.

How can it be a lockdown then, if the things that have helped drive the second wave most, remain open?

Should have had a proper lockdown during an extended half term.

Waste of time having a lockdown without closing schools and universities, it will achieve nothing.

@Completmentfille

There is literally no point locking down if schools stay open as they are now.

It's not a lockdown, but when it makes piss all difference, people can say 'see, lockdowns don't work'.

@Dustysilkflowers notice I said secondary schools... the childcare education of primary school children who are showing less transmission rates should continue with added mitigations.

@Dustysilkflowers

WhyNotMe40 but what about business owners like me? Really. Should my kids lose their house because of someone they will never meet?

You really do y know understand the stress this is putting on business owners. I can’t go on furlough. What about me and my kids?

I do understand. I have worked for many years in the restaurant and pub industry before retraining as a teacher. The government will need to step up the furlough and self employed support, instead of spaffing money to chums PPE companies, and mates management consultants. However, if they don't switch to distance learning for the majority of older students, any sort of a lockdown just won't work. Too much silent spread, and it will be a waste.

All the lockdown will achieve is delaying when we get a vaccine. The vaccines need people to get infected to check whether the vaccine works. The slower the spread of the virus, the longer that takes.