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Do people realise Coronavirus won't be eliminated

271 replies

Shockhorrorno · 28/10/2020 11:07

And they'll always be lots of Coronavirus deaths every year? I get the feeling people think it's going to magically disappear when a vaccine appears, but at best we'll still have Coronavirus deaths similar to flu and pneumonia. And people will still catch it and be left with long covid. Is it time for a reality check on what we're actually going to be able to achieve?

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Oliversmumsarmy · 30/10/2020 11:12

Badbadbunny

Sort of see what you mean but it still doesnt sit right.
Still can’t quite get my head round it (sometimes do have mental blocks)

I knew so many people through dd and Ds and friends who had what we all suspect was Covid in December/January and February. I even knew a few who had it during lockdown.

This time I know no one who has had Covid apart from a university student who lives in the North.

Saying there are 300 deaths per day seems slightly surreal when no one you know is suffering from it

WouldBeGood · 30/10/2020 11:19

I don’t think people do realise this at all.

Although awareness is growing.

WouldBeGood · 30/10/2020 11:20

450 die each day from cancer in the uk. That put it in perspective for me.

Oliversmumsarmy · 30/10/2020 11:26

Looking at actual figures, Badbadbunny what I don’t get is

For example on the government website it says 28th October 52 deaths

Yet reported as 310 people dead who tested positive within 28 days

Just finding it confusing

Ijustcantcope · 30/10/2020 11:29

@WouldBeGood

450 die each day from cancer in the uk. That put it in perspective for me.
Well now we have 450 dying a day from cancer PLUS people dying from Covid Hmm
Yohoheaveho · 30/10/2020 11:45

How about, you know, using the fuck ton of money we are flinging at the effects of lockdown, we use some of to actually invest in the health service so it doesn't "collapse". Every bloody autumn we are told that certain hospitals are close to "collapse"? Why is this ok with people?
this is in direct conflict with the long-term ambition of the conservative party, they want to defund the NHS with a view to privatisation.

Badbadbunny · 30/10/2020 11:52

@WouldBeGood

450 die each day from cancer in the uk. That put it in perspective for me.
Well we'd have that, PLUS potentially hundreds MORE dying of COVID, plus potentially hundreds MORE dying of Cancer, Heart disease and all manner of other diseases/accidents because we had too few doctors and nurses to treat them IF they were also off work due to covid or have died of covid, etc.
Namenic · 30/10/2020 11:57

Just because the IOM is small does not mean that people don’t have to comply with strict rules. Same with aus and nz. It may be easier to police and have uniformity of opinion - but it doesn’t mean that culture is an insurmountable barrier - unless you are saying that the culture in these places is significantly different from uk

WouldBeGood · 30/10/2020 12:04

My point is that Covid is not the only show in town.

Cancer deaths will also rise massively over the next couple of years because of the lack of diagnoses over this time.

Badbadbunny · 30/10/2020 12:09

@Namenic

Just because the IOM is small does not mean that people don’t have to comply with strict rules. Same with aus and nz. It may be easier to police and have uniformity of opinion - but it doesn’t mean that culture is an insurmountable barrier - unless you are saying that the culture in these places is significantly different from uk
Culture etc doesn't matter if the strict "border" control meant it never got a foot hold on the island. The residents can basically do what they want because they know few, if any, people on the Island have covid. Nothing to do with culture/behaviour, etc. "Border" control, security, police, etc stopped people bringing covid to the Island - that was possible because of the isolated nature and relatively few planes/boats bringing people to the Island.

Try that with an international hub like Heathrow, or a port like Calais with thousands of vehicles arriving daily.

Badbadbunny · 30/10/2020 12:11

@WouldBeGood

My point is that Covid is not the only show in town.

Cancer deaths will also rise massively over the next couple of years because of the lack of diagnoses over this time.

Yes, but my point is that there'll be even more missed cancer diagnoses if more doctors and nurses are off work (or dead) because of covid. It's a matter of finding a balance. The effective closure of the NHS in Spring was clearly going too far in one direction when we had empty wards and doctors/nurses sat around doing nothing. But if Covid is allowed to run freely, we could have empty wards because the doctors/nurses are at home due to catching covid.
toxtethOgradyUSA · 30/10/2020 12:17

Badbadbunny I wish people who don't want draconian restrictions were not constantly accused of wanting covid to run freely. That's a huge misrepresentation. There are a million small things we can all do to help keep infections in check. People would be far more compliant with these than a draconian lockdowns - provided the govt explained its position. It's about being pragmatic and realistic about what people are likely to adhere to in the UK - forget the likes of China, Taiwan etc, we are culturally poles apart so comparisons are meaningless.. If you impose a grand lockdown and people have had enough and simply break the rules then, seriously, what have you achieved? It's just political posturing, no more.

mrshoho · 30/10/2020 12:37

@toxtethOgradyUSA

Badbadbunny I wish people who don't want draconian restrictions were not constantly accused of wanting covid to run freely. That's a huge misrepresentation. There are a million small things we can all do to help keep infections in check. People would be far more compliant with these than a draconian lockdowns - provided the govt explained its position. It's about being pragmatic and realistic about what people are likely to adhere to in the UK - forget the likes of China, Taiwan etc, we are culturally poles apart so comparisons are meaningless.. If you impose a grand lockdown and people have had enough and simply break the rules then, seriously, what have you achieved? It's just political posturing, no more.
But isn't tier 1 this position? These are not draconian restrictions and if these areas in tier 1 are managing infections and preventing hospital admissions they continue as they are. But what do you suggest when cases rise to levels where hospitals are struggling? That's when the next tier is brought in and if that doesn't work then tier 3. Do you think the whole country should just be put in tier 1 restrictions? Do you think that is going to prevent the escalating hospital admissions? I find it hard to understand exactly what you want. I'm referring to England but maybe you are in Wales or Scotland. What restrictions are you against?
Orangeblossom7777 · 30/10/2020 12:46

Layla Moran (lib dems) is on about elimination today.

FractionalGains · 30/10/2020 13:22

@Orangeblossom7777

Layla Moran (lib dems) is on about elimination today.
Further proof if any were needed that it’s not a credible strategy
Orangeblossom7777 · 30/10/2020 13:39

Grin thought the same

mrshoho · 30/10/2020 14:00

Turns out toxtethogradyusa is a troll that has been previously banned as confirmed by MN on another ageist thread this poster started. Makes sense when you read the lies this poster has been writing.

Namenic · 30/10/2020 14:02

Bad bunny - Melbourne is a city, they had lockdown restrictions and tackled a 2nd wave. IOM had restrictions when cases were high in mar it seems. They seem to be very strict with the enforcement of penalties which is similar to some places like Singapore - jail + fine for breaking isolation rules. It would be easy for people to say Singapore is a different culture from U.K., but by that token I guess you’d have to say IOM is too.

RedToothBrush · 30/10/2020 14:06

@Orangeblossom7777

Layla Moran (lib dems) is on about elimination today.
And? I already thought she was away with the fairies in lala land without her having to demonstrate it on a regular basis.

This woman is divorced from reality.

Orangeblossom7777 · 30/10/2020 14:35

Yeah I know (Layla Moran) I didn't comment as thought that was obvious

Orangeblossom7777 · 30/10/2020 14:39

behind a paywall but here is some of it, don't quite understand it, sounds a bit naive Confused

"We need to do three things: control the virus; suppress its transmission; and then begin to eliminate it.

To control the virus we have to get the R number below 1 as soon as possible. That means fixing test, trace and isolate. Not bicker over the figures, actually fix it once and for all by owning up to mistakes and problems.

And we need to give local authorities our trust and the power to deliver locally-led test and trace. We’re doing it in Oxfordshire already.

Doing that gives us time to nationally develop test and quarantine capability at all UK entry points (including ports, airports and international rail stations).

Taking control of the situation in that way, getting the R below 1, means that we’ll be in a position to suppress the virus. That means keeping lockdown measures in place until the number of new cases drops below 10 per million of the population.

We want to open up the economy, it’s so important. I hear from constituents – small business owners, workers and others - every day desperately worried about their economic situation. I want them to go through those anxieties as few times as possible. With functional test and trace in place, which is locally led, plus the ability to catch new cases at the UK’s borders, we’ll be able to open up the economy far more.

And we’ll be far more likely to be able to keep it open. Certainty for businesses is really important – at the moment they have none.

Something else the Government needs to look at is compliance with isolation rules. It’s so important that financial support for anyone self-isolating is there, to boost this. Trust is breaking down – let’s bring the daily press briefings back to keep the public up to date.

Then we get to the elimination phase. At the moment, it feels like the Government is waiting around for this step to happen and fix everything in one fell swoop."

CodenameVillanelle · 30/10/2020 14:43

@Thingybob

I don't think the majority do realise. People I talk to are still speaking about "when we get back to normal"
Well we will get back to normal. When covid is under control social distancing and lockdowns will end. Under control doesn't mean eradicated but we don't lockdown and social distance to prevent flu or chicken pox etc from spreading, it's a risk of life.
RedToothBrush · 30/10/2020 15:03

@Orangeblossom7777

Yeah I know (Layla Moran) I didn't comment as thought that was obvious
When Layla gets her arse out of niiiice Oxfordshire and into reality i'll take notice of what she says seriously.

Until then i'll continue to file under 'idiot'.

Orangeblossom7777 · 30/10/2020 15:09

Maybe she will do an 'elimination miracle' in Oxford Wink