Scotland - 5 Tiers, where do you think you'll be?

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Im in Lanarkshire so pretty sure it'll come under tier 3, which from what i can read doesnt chanhe much for the way things are right now.

Yes @Ecosse I suspect Edinburgh will be in at least Tier 3. However I'm thinking the wording allows some wriggle room around reopening restaurants so I suspect that will happen here albeit with no alcohol sales.

You may be right ecosse, but if that is the case, why not just say Glasgow and Edinburgh will be treated the same. They could make up some argument about travel between the two being so easy and common and important for the economy, it is being treated as a mega-city for the purpose of the regulations (OK, you'd piss off people from the towns in between being lumped in with either, but that's probably not the biggest of her worries...).

Everyone will be able to see that the spread in Glasgow/ Lanarkshire has followed a totally different pattern to Edinburgh/East Lothian so if they are put in the same level it HAS to be about something other than case numbers/ hospital capacity/ rates of increase or whatever. Why keep up the pretence?

@waitforitwaitforit sorry to hear that. I think that's one of the (many) things that have been so hard to deal with - not seeing family when we need them most.

In North Lanarkshire too, I think there’s a possibility we will be in tier 4, if not next Monday then pretty soon afterwards. It’s bloody rife here.

Heard on the news yesterday that our hospitals are at 98% capacity, the mps are calling for the Louisa Jordan to be opened, and the monklands have stopped all elective surgeries and a lot of the appointments. They have a beatson there which is quite concerning.

They won't go straight to tier 4 in North Lanarkshire. The threat of it will be used to beat us into following the rules. I imagine we will be tier 3 along with Glasgow

West Lothian. Prob a 3 here as cases are getting worse. You can see things moving in from the west

@NotAnActualSheep

Apparently the current thinking is that the central belt will be in level 3 and the rest of Scotland in level 2. There is a preliminary meeting today to discuss it according to the BBC . Jason L is saying...

"... roughly speaking, the central belt Glasgow, Edinburgh, Ayrshire and Arran, that strip across the middle, where 3.5m of Scots live, that would be tier three and roughly, north and south of that - tier two."

Though he's using the language of "tiers" and not the Scottish "levels", so who knows?

So basically the same as now, that will then be over three weeks into the "short, sharp, temporary 16 day, honest guv, would we lie to you" restrictions that aren't intended to last any more than 2 to 4 weeks according to the new strategy. We're never getting out of this, are we . I'm hoping that this week the case/ hospital/ death numbers will stay steady or start declining and they have second thoughts.

Even in Wales they recognise that they won't see the effect of their firebreak after the 2 weeks, but that is the absolute maximum time it will last, even if numbers haven't declined... The decline will come in the following week or two, because that's how the infection curve works.

They aren't coming down where I live on the outskirts of Glasgow :( In fact they are rising! [ Despite pubs and restaurants being closed) Its now been quite a while that we have had restrictions [ nearly 2 wks] with this closure. Next week will be the third and the numbers are not promising.

Indeed they have marginally reduced but its the weekend so any reduction cannot be trusted [ according to Nicola]
Maybe its people doing unnecessary shopping?
Who knows!

@BumDiggyDiggyDiggyBumDiggyBum

In North Lanarkshire too, I think there’s a possibility we will be in tier 4, if not next Monday then pretty soon afterwards. It’s bloody rife here.

Heard on the news yesterday that our hospitals are at 98% capacity, the mps are calling for the Louisa Jordan to be opened, and the monklands have stopped all elective surgeries and a lot of the appointments. They have a beatson there which is quite concerning.

OMG.

Sadly too, I have been hearing a lot of people saying they are just going to do halloween despite being advised not too by the S.Gov. Its going to be a long , long winter...

Rumours are North and South Lanarkshire will be straight into Tier 4. 😟

Hope its just a rumour to get us into line. Its fucking shit

@dementedpixie

Hope its just a rumour to get us into line. Its fucking shit

Was thinking that. "Leak" the document and then put us at Tier 3 to make us realise what we could have been? And get folk behaving themselves. Or is that wishful thinking!

I was hoping level 4 would be mostly a threat and no one will go straight in there. Glasgow city council have been circulating a release today saying if you don't follow the rules you'll be in tier 4 so I assume they know they'll be in 3.

I thought that might be the case. Although there have been leaked documents before that suggest higher restrictions than Nicola set. Here’s hoping the numbers keep stabilising.

I just need the schools to stay open so my dd can go back after isolation (close contact at school) going into day 3 and she’s already driving me nuts! They’ve no plans yet to close them thankfully!

I think they've lost control. Not of the virus, but of the public opinion. The mood is very different from what it felt like back in March. The increasing inconsistencies, the one-upping England, the lecturing, the complex rules, making ridiculous statements about students not being "allowed" to leave halls of residence, their level 0 "no restrictions" actually being a lot of restrictions, the "digital CHristmas", no guising, no Bonfire night, the fiasco in Wales with the cling film over stuff that some randomer has said is non-essential - the governments around the UK have collectively lost the plot and lost the public. We've collectively thought fuck it.

I've been saying for months that we need to accept the risks of this illness just as we accept the risks of lots of other things, and get on with it.

@RaspberryCoulis

I think they've lost control. Not of the virus, but of the public opinion. The mood is very different from what it felt like back in March. The increasing inconsistencies, the one-upping England, the lecturing, the complex rules, making ridiculous statements about students not being "allowed" to leave halls of residence, their level 0 "no restrictions" actually being a lot of restrictions, the "digital CHristmas", no guising, no Bonfire night, the fiasco in Wales with the cling film over stuff that some randomer has said is non-essential - the governments around the UK have collectively lost the plot and lost the public. We've collectively thought fuck it.

I've been saying for months that we need to accept the risks of this illness just as we accept the risks of lots of other things, and get on with it.

If you are reading the press and not listening to the actual briefings, its easy to jump to the wrong conclusion about what is being said as the press is very often dramatic and it is quite often taken out of context. Having no restrictions and getting on with it means that if one of your family falls ill, there wont be any help from the NHS.

Raspberrycoulis you are right it's all. Too much rules, regulations lectures it's all morphing together.

I'm not against tiered restrictions per se. But we need greater data based transparency around why decisions are made. So it would be helpful to have a cases per thousand tolerance for each tier and also how and when areas can move to a lower tier , just to give us a bit of hope.

Also for decisions like not reducing the isolation period again I need data. I've heard that 7 days full isolation will catch 96% of cases. I appreciate it's not an exact science as things change the more we learn, but I feel we deserve a bit more than just being told the SG is sticking to the 14 days whatever the EG is doing.

There is a daily public briefing for better or worse so there is more than adequate time to provide this level of detail.

It's amazing to see how people just accept that the 16 day " temporary reset" was extended by a week and now is becoming essentially indefinite. Why is no one questioning this? We are being treated like kids. Nicola S is more interested in her own image than anything else. I used to like her but she power mad daily updates with hints and threats have sickened me.

@Fortherosesjoni70 actually with lots of things being cancelled and the huge backlog, your family might get treatment it they get Covid, but for lots of other things , they won't. The truth is, the govt don't want to be seen to be directly rationing healthcare. They don't want to decline over 80s etc hospital beds due to too many cases. That might be necessary if lockdown was eased. But the indirect cost of this is that younger people will be declined the beds - we just won't see the queue in hospital corridors as the screening and operations will be cancelled, the mental health appointments won't be scheduled etc. The long term consequence of this is younger people (i.e. non elderly) dying over a longer period of time due to treatment delays/ suicide etc. But it won't be seen as a deliberate policy decision to deny healthcare. The govt can't be directly blamed and there will be no scenes of overcrowded hospitals.. The elderly are being protected more than younger people for political reasons and the process is so long-term, it's invisible.

[quote Stuckinnow]@Fortherosesjoni70 actually with lots of things being cancelled and the huge backlog, your family might get treatment it they get Covid, but for lots of other things , they won't. The truth is, the govt don't want to be seen to be directly rationing healthcare. They don't want to decline over 80s etc hospital beds due to too many cases. That might be necessary if lockdown was eased. But the indirect cost of this is that younger people will be declined the beds - we just won't see the queue in hospital corridors as the screening and operations will be cancelled, the mental health appointments won't be scheduled etc. The long term consequence of this is younger people (i.e. non elderly) dying over a longer period of time due to treatment delays/ suicide etc. But it won't be seen as a deliberate policy decision to deny healthcare. The govt can't be directly blamed and there will be no scenes of overcrowded hospitals.. The elderly are being protected more than younger people for political reasons and the process is so long-term, it's invisible.[/quote]
Well I totally get that. Ive had to wait ages for a hospital appointment myself that just a year ago was over and done with in a fortnight.
However, what's the choice? Have people dying of Covid? Spreading it to one another? Just letting the virus go out of control? Its a simple fact that the people waiting for hospital care are probably the ones that could be most at risk of catching and being seriously affected by covid. Very difficult choices. None are easy.
I think you will find the Government will be blamed at some point. Most people are acutely aware of this situation.
There are no simple answers.

Immediate 'danger' has to be put first.

..and I did read that they are trying to keep things running this time round.

@Stuckinnow

It's amazing to see how people just accept that the 16 day " temporary reset" was extended by a week and now is becoming essentially indefinite. Why is no one questioning this? We are being treated like kids. Nicola S is more interested in her own image than anything else. I used to like her but she power mad daily updates with hints and threats have sickened me.

Exactly this