Scotland - 5 Tiers, where do you think you'll be?

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Im in Lanarkshire so pretty sure it'll come under tier 3, which from what i can read doesnt chanhe much for the way things are right now.

I had my dad over yesterday he was doing a wee job in my garden. He’s in his 70s with cancer and it was cold, I couldn’t even have the poor old soul inside for a cuppa. This is bloody barbaric and cruel now. And for what?!

The new tiered system being announced has honestly made me feel the worst I've felt throughout this whole thing. I feel really worn out like I just can't see a point anymore, I could actually it cry thinking about Christmas like this.

Its just relentless isn't it, people are just done

@NotAnActualSheep

Am a bit sad level 0 isn't actually normal. Still limits on meeting numbers, social distancing, masks etc. I know they can't really say anything else, but pinning all hope on a vaccine seems a bit presumptious given we're not sure there will be a successful one, and if there is, how long it will take to ensure all vulnerable people are covered. And if there isn't, is that really it forever? Bit grim, no?

I felt the same when i read that. Then on bbc news NS said cases are still rising but the week before they were up something like 27% and this week they were only up 7.

You have Jason Leitch talking of a digital Christmas. Yet Boris is saying he hopes family life will be as close as possible to normal at Christmas.

I’ve been coping OK and I’m pretty resilient and stable usually, but this is really crunching on my mental health now. Feels like my insides are being squeezed with distress all the time 😞

I'm in Moray, I'd like 0 😁 but in reality I think we'll be level 1. We've minimal cases here.

@RaspberryCoulis

Oh and even at level 0, I couldn't take my 3 kids to see my parents at the same time as my sister is there with her two kids as that would be 9 of us. But we might be able to sit in the garden. In January.

Have they started counting children now?

Perthshire here. It will depend on whether or not we are P&K council for this or they cluster us under Tayside. Hoping for tier 1 under the council.

Sometimes I think she wheels Jason Leitch out to be the bad cop, with the worst case scenarios, so she can then come out with a very slightly less shit option and we all think 'great. We have so much freedom'.

@Fridgeandkitchen

Perthshire here. It will depend on whether or not we are P&K council for this or they cluster us under Tayside. Hoping for tier 1 under the council.

Surgeon said yesterday it will be local authority not health board.

I think all this bollocks is here until spring irrespective of how many "cases" they create by mass testing. Devi has mentioned March in various things she has written. I predict that in spring 2021, when the government decides it can stop, they will inform the testing labs to reduce the number of PCR amplification cycles so that positive test numbers drop rapidly. Then they can say "look, all the lockdown measures worked!" Even though those measures made sod all difference to an endemic virus which appears to have made influenza and pneumonia deaths obsolete.

Once the initial levels have been set for each local authority area across Scotland,

This is from the publication on gov.scot.

I think all this bollocks is here until spring irrespective of how many "cases" they create by mass testing

What do you mean by creating "cases"?

www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

Have they started counting children now?

My kids are all at secondary school so they are not "children" by their definition which is under 12. One of my nephews is 10 so I suppose he doesn't count. But neither sister nor I can take husbands as 6 adults and 5 children aged 8-16 would be banned under any measure, inside.

Forever.

There's also separate tiers for hospitality so the area could be level 3 but with the hospitality in that area at level 4 - which if you look at them is roughly what the central belt is just now.

@Sarahplane

I'm in Edinburgh and I'm assuming tier 3 because that seems to roughly equate to the restrictions for Edinburgh just now. I really hope we can get it down to tier 1 for Christmas though.

That was meant to be a short term measure though? (Hopelessly optimistic here.)

I think this alcohol crap is nonsense. A glass of wine is not going to increase your chances of catching covid. You can go for a meal in a restaurant but not have a glass of wine while those having boozy house parties will keep doing it anyway.

@waitforitwaitforit

The SNP have always been anti-alcohol and Devi Sridhar has written several research papers calling for restrictions on alcohol so I don’t think it’s coincidental.

I hate the way this has all been delivered. @Ecosse you are absolutely right. She has. Why they couldn’t have kept restaurants open, even with lower alcohol restrictions I don’t know. People are packed into cafes instead.
Zero should be normal. Not some sort of half way back to normal.
And yes. Leitch is rolled out for the negative stuff (along with Sturgeon’s use of the word “we”). When it’s good news it’s her saying “I”. This is also all far too political. Whatever Boris does has to be mutated into something different. God forbid we all pulled in the same direction.

[quote Ecosse]@waitforitwaitforit

The SNP have always been anti-alcohol and Devi Sridhar has written several research papers calling for restrictions on alcohol so I don’t think it’s coincidental.[/quote]

I think Nicola likes a drink. I've certainly seen her in the pub. (Many years ago, mind, before she became Queen.)

I'm Highland and would hope to be tier 0 to be honest.
We'd appreciate a ban on travel too - it's been like Vegas here since here July and we don't have the NHS infrastructure should we need to deal with a significant increase in cases.

@TheRealMrsJamieFraser

I'm Highland and would hope to be tier 0 to be honest. We'd appreciate a ban on travel too - it's been like Vegas here since here July and we don't have the NHS infrastructure should we need to deal with a significant increase in cases.

I can imagine. My Facebook has been full of central belters enjoying the great outdoors up North, while idiots like me don't get up North to see my parents.

Apparently the current thinking is that the central belt will be in level 3 and the rest of Scotland in level 2. There is a preliminary meeting today to discuss it according to the BBC . Jason L is saying...

"... roughly speaking, the central belt Glasgow, Edinburgh, Ayrshire and Arran, that strip across the middle, where 3.5m of Scots live, that would be tier three and roughly, north and south of that - tier two."

Though he's using the language of "tiers" and not the Scottish "levels", so who knows?

So basically the same as now, that will then be over three weeks into the "short, sharp, temporary 16 day, honest guv, would we lie to you" restrictions that aren't intended to last any more than 2 to 4 weeks according to the new strategy. We're never getting out of this, are we . I'm hoping that this week the case/ hospital/ death numbers will stay steady or start declining and they have second thoughts.

Even in Wales they recognise that they won't see the effect of their firebreak after the 2 weeks, but that is the absolute maximum time it will last, even if numbers haven't declined... The decline will come in the following week or two, because that's how the infection curve works.

Looking at the figures, the figures in Lothian are coming down. The vast majority of hospital admissions are in Glasgow and Lanarkshire.

I strongly suspect though that she will not put Glasgow in a different tier to Edinburgh for political reasons.