Stricter measures than ever before. Wales to restrict what supermarkets can sell.

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194

We didn't have that in the "first wave". Despite some confusion, it was perfectly OK for essential shops to also sell non-essentials, and for customers to purchase them on the same visit as doing essential shopping. Now, in Wales, it's not OK, the stated reason being "fairness" to small businesses.

I think this could be a first sign of things to come. I fully expect measures at least as strict as, and possibly stricter than, what we saw in March. And I expect local to become regional to become national. Because anything less just isn't keeping Covid-19 under control.

[quote StarCat2020]@AvocadosBeforeMortgages
Tin openers always break at the most annoying time, don't they?

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I don't - but whether or not I'll need one in the next 17 days is anyone's guess really. Same for anyone. I'm hoping I've got a spare one tucked away somewhere (but I might have used the spare last time the tin opener broke, and not replaced it).

It's also a complete fucking disaster for anyone who needs to use a food bank, seeing as the majority of the food they hand out is in tins.

@MushMonster

Do any of you know if B&M, Wilko are selling homeware? Like duvets and kettles? I know they are open during the lockdown, but I do not need anything from them so I am not going into one. If they are allowed to sell, at least people can get the items they need.

They're not allowed to sell duvets, kettles etc. either for the same reason as supermarkets.

The Welsh government doesn't even want click & collect services to offer 'non essential' items news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-what-are-the-essential-items-you-can-still-buy-in-wales-12112959

I think this policy is way over the top. OK they will save a few covid lives but they are going to cause hell in lots of deprived families. Fuck this shit.

Wales has completely lost the plot with telling people what they can't and can't buy in shops that are remaining open.

It also had the opposite effect of what they are trying to achieve. If people see ludicrous rules imposed by power-crazed politicians they simply won't follow them and that will affect the wider lockdown compliance.

Frankly both he and Sturgeon have lost the plot entirely at this stage.

Ok, someone in another thread just said they had bought a duvet in B&M today....
No even click and collect LOL

Most tins of tomatoes have ring pulls, as do soups, spaghetti hoops etc etc...

No-one died of not being able to buy coloured pencils.. can't get a birthday card? pick up the phone and ring the intended recipient..

And as for 'the hero' in that video ripping off the plastic, what a rebel.. not bothering to wear a mask. Do you know how many 20-30 year olds i've had to sit by on public transport thinking its hilarious to pretend to cough maskless for the entire journey? Yep, what heroes, while our Covid cases steadily rise.

@Coolieloach

I just can’t get all the drama! Is this really about having to have something non essential or about one’s choices being withdrawn for a couple of weeks? Sometimes things are a bit bigger than our personal preferences. Get a grip people, there’s more at stake here than if someone needs a birthday card or new pair of pants!!

The problem is that people are expected to put up with increasingly illogical 'rules' being imposed on them without question. Even though questioning what your 'leaders' tell you is supposed to be a cornerstone of liberal democracy.

If there were evidence that picking up a pair of socks or a birthday card along with your bread and milk (although there are some here who claim milk is not 'essential') led to Covid outbreaks, then I'm sure the vast majority of people would go along with it, at least for a short time. However, no such evidence has been presented. Indeed, the evidence that shops in general are a major source of Covid infection remains pretty weak. So people are quite right to question this and other seemingly random rules.

You of course are free to continue to uncritically swallow everything you are told if you prefer.

No-one died of not being able to buy coloured pencils..

Did anyone die because of being able to buy coloured pencils while doing the grocery shop?

I just can’t get all the drama! Is this really about having to have something non essential or about one’s choices being withdrawn for a couple of weeks?

As I see it, it's about it being a sign of things to come. Many have predicted it won't be "a couple of weeks", it will be extended and extended. We can also predict the rest of the UK will follow.

I domt think it will be longer than 2 weeks because of schools. All schools will be back to normal by week 3, so wider restrictions futile. I will of course eat my words if he changes it, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

Sometimes things are a bit bigger than our personal preferences

Yes, but not in the way you mean.

IcedPurple coloured pencils given as an example of non essential items.. non essential items increase lingering while you decide which to buy, and possible returns to shop if youre not happy with the item, increasing contact no?

In my experience, it's the more expensive brands of tins which have ringpulls. Between that and comments about spare kettles, it's pretty clear that some people have no idea what having limited money looks like.

@110APiccadilly

In my experience, it's the more expensive brands of tins which have ringpulls. Between that and comments about spare kettles, it's pretty clear that some people have no idea what having limited money looks like.

Yep, loads of own brand tins don’t have ring pulls. The own brand tesco baked beans we get don’t. Some people on low incomes live off tinned food. Cheap, don’t really have to heat it up if you are low on gas or electric on a meter. Those are the people less likely to be able to order online. That’s why it’s utter madness to restrict household items.

non essential items increase lingering while you decide which to buy, and possible returns to shop if youre not happy with the item, increasing contact no?

You're right, best put the brunt of the risk onto delivery drivers and Amazon warehouse workers instead.

I do find it telling that the supposed reasoning (chod as it might be) is to protect small businesses, but the Covid Fangirls are now earnestly lecturing us about how coloured pens and birthday cards might make someone's granny Sadly Die.

But hey, if you’ve never had to face the reality of feeding your family without gas or electric or sometimes no cooking equipment at all, I guess it’s easy to say order a tin opener online or Use your spare kettle.

Amazon will be doing a bomb & not paying even more tax. If santa calls, does this break the rule of 6?

@Jellykat

IcedPurple coloured pencils given as an example of non essential items.. non essential items increase lingering while you decide which to buy, and possible returns to shop if youre not happy with the item, increasing contact no?

Is there any evidence that 'lingering' is increased for arbitrarily defined 'non-essential items'? Some people might 'linger' for some time deciding which 'essential' brand of coffee pods or cuts of meat to buy, but throw a pack of colouring pencils into their basket without a thought. Also not sure that there are going to be queues of people lining up to return a box of crayons or a birthday card which cost a few quid.

It's a moronic 'policy', designed to show How Much You Care and Want to Protect People. If it makes such obvious sense, why haven't other countries, including those who had very strict lockdowns, also seen the wisdom in covering aisles of duvets and birthday cards in plastic?

Really 110Piccadilly? I've quite a few ring pull cans in my cupboard, all Tesco, Aldi and a Lidl.. expensive brands?

When was lingering a cause of Corona.

I lingered in the bread aisle today because I couldn't decide which to get. Shoot me now

Restricting duvets and pillows etc won't stop lingering.

Anyway they said it was to be fair to small shops and you could order online if you must. But the more people forced to shop online the less money for the high street. The convenience of shopping online is killing the high street so it's obvious that the more people that become accustomed to doing that the quicker the demise will happen. Way to go though as they are only being 'fair' 🤷‍♀️

@housemdwaswrong

I domt think it will be longer than 2 weeks because of schools. All schools will be back to normal by week 3, so wider restrictions futile. I will of course eat my words if he changes it, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

Are all school year groups going back or just up to year 8? I thought schools in Wales had closed to year 9 upwards which seems really worrying given that they are the key exam years.

I read that as lingering over a can of Corona.

Schools are opening after half term for primary schools, special schools and years 7&8. All other years are meant to be returning on 9 Nov.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4059125-pressure-on-frontline-nhs-staff?pg=1

but hey, lets focus on the fact we can't buy a new Dyson at the moment eh?