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If Covid is going nowhere what is the plan for schools?

274 replies

Marcellemouse · 21/10/2020 19:41

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/covid-here-stay-even-develop-19095194
Just asked this on a different thread but no response.
Bearing in mind the above, at what point teachers be happy to teach a full class of DC?

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cormorantes · 22/10/2020 15:25

No local authority is going to issue fines where cv is a factor, it just wouldn't be successful. Ignore it as a factor.

HazeyJaneII · 22/10/2020 15:30

@cormorantes

No local authority is going to issue fines where cv is a factor, it just wouldn't be successful. Ignore it as a factor.
This is not what we have been told by the school.
StanfordPines · 22/10/2020 16:53

MN is full of posts from unhappy teachers. I'm not making it up.

Please link to the threads.

I still want to know what your problem actually is.

Mistressiggi · 22/10/2020 17:05

Teacher's on MN imply nightly that we'll be back to home learning before Christmas
Hmm. I would suggest that when a thread as obviously shit-stirring as this is started we leave the original shit-stirrer to stir alone.

IceCreamSummer20 · 22/10/2020 17:41

It’s a good point OP. I think that the first point for me is to have a seriously updated plan for schools. A plan, not guidance that has loads of detail mainly on hand washing, contractors coming in and out etc and class set up. This all has a negligible difference. A plan could be something like:

  • any family, with ECV or not, will not be penalised for taking their child out of school for this year.
  • Home online will not be provided by the teachers, who have to stay and teach their class...
(...however support will be provided on the curriculum (such as overall term work notes) and there could be a fortnightly brief call to any parent of a child at home by the teacher. If necessary, in a social work call every month to monitor any child at risk?)
  • Contact tracing in schools to be given enhanced status - a dedicated schools only Public Health lead for each region who all link in together with epidemiological support.
  • Close contacts to include everyone in the classroom - not just 2 metres.
  • Masks to be worn by all teachers and staff at all ages. Consideration for all students in secondary and primary to wear masks also all the time.
  • Lunch times and breaks are high risk points. Students to each as far as possible from each other, or in small groups of 3, particular attention to ventilation. Teachers to eat as far as possible from others.
  • if community transmission reaches above 100 case per 100,000 - schools to shut.

All of the above should be happening now as a minimum. None of this is happening really. None of it means schools close for the next year.

Marcellemouse · 22/10/2020 17:58

I agree about DC wearing masks. I think we don't give DC enough credit. Mine currently wear them on the bus to/from school and in communal areas and never even mention them. I'm sure they would happily comply with wearing them in lessons as well if it meant teachers were safer and there was less disruption as a result.

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Slightlybrwnbanana · 22/10/2020 18:01

So, ask them to wear them in lessons. They don't have to wait for it to be a rule and it would make teachers (and others) a bit safer.

StanfordPines · 22/10/2020 19:17

@Marcellemouse

I agree about DC wearing masks. I think we don't give DC enough credit. Mine currently wear them on the bus to/from school and in communal areas and never even mention them. I'm sure they would happily comply with wearing them in lessons as well if it meant teachers were safer and there was less disruption as a result.
Your DC might well do. Others won’t.
StanfordPines · 22/10/2020 19:18

Look at the number of grown adults who are pissing and bitching about wearing them and taking away their civil liberties.
(People with genuine reasons to not wear them notwithstanding).

IceCreamSummer20 · 22/10/2020 19:34

@Slightlybrwnbanana

So, ask them to wear them in lessons. They don't have to wait for it to be a rule and it would make teachers (and others) a bit safer.
I think the majority of schools do need a ‘rule’ to implement mask wearing. Even if it were the lighter touch ‘mask wearing is effective, to be strongly encouraged’ - most schools and teachers are very nervous or just not really confident about accepting this.

And mask wearing by one student in a class doesn’t do an awful lot. It is the combined effect of mask wearing that is powerful.

IceCreamSummer20 · 22/10/2020 19:36

@StanfordPines in any areas where children and teenagers have been asked to wear masks in school, there have been a really surprising adherence. Far higher than in adults. In Ireland ALL secondary students wear masks ALL the time. I’ve not seen one complaint in any media anywhere or any school.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 22/10/2020 19:48

No local authority is going to issue fines where cv is a factor, it just wouldn't be successful. Ignore it as a factor.
Sorry but that is just not true. My highly anxious ASD dd who had been struggling with school attendance prior to lockdown was told on the first day that the schools hands were tied and they would have to fine your parents if you don't attend.
Remember the Govt expection to attend and to come down especially hard on those who has attendance issues before or didn't engage in Home Learning.
Even so my ecv dh is hapy to take risk as he knows our dds and their friends will be sensible.
I suspect most ECV families would prefer a decent home learning alternative without threats of fines or registering. I am eternally grateful we are tier one and only had one ot teo cases in dds schools but it is shit.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 22/10/2020 19:51

Sorry not having to derigister which is gleefully spouted on threads where someone shows concern. Apparently they should give up their place do it can be taken by people wanting spaces in a good school.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 22/10/2020 19:53

@IceCreamSummer20 the poor take up of mask wearing was another reason why dd struggled going back.

IceCreamSummer20 · 22/10/2020 19:55

That is exactly my predicament. Youngest DS in a special school which I fought for very hard, so I wouldn’t want to deregister. I just want to be able to take him out when the community rate is high, which it now is. It might take me years to get another suitable place, no joke (as any parent of SN will tell you!)

Northernsoulgirl45 · 22/10/2020 19:56

Me too @HazeyJaneII

IceCreamSummer20 · 22/10/2020 19:57

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]@IceCreamSummer20 the poor take up of mask wearing was another reason why dd struggled going back.[/quote]
I don’t blame your DD, it must be massively stressful having quite a clued in attitude to the virus and then see so many others taking risks. My DS wears a mask on the school bus even though he’s pretty severe and so honestly is he can do it, no excuse!

Northernsoulgirl45 · 22/10/2020 20:00

Sorry it is so hard for you @IceCreamSummer20.
Every day seems to be a constant battle.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 22/10/2020 20:04

We only just managed to get dd2 out of the house in the summer and she wanted to wear it outside too. I have mild asthma but still wear a mask when required.

Marcellemouse · 22/10/2020 20:29

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lazylinguist · 22/10/2020 20:36

What's your point, Marcellemouse? The OP of that thread posted some graphs which are publicly available, mentioned the sneaky removal of the 'not a high risk setting' from the guidelines and pointed out that the timing of the release of the info made it too late to have a longer half term as a circuit breaker. It's not a hysterical post and it's not clamouring for schools nit to be allowed to be open.

Marcellemouse · 22/10/2020 20:41

That OP did the same last night. And the night before that. Have you read it? They're currently discussing how best to home educate secondary school.
The OP may be vulnerable and be fearful but enough is enough.

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StanfordPines · 22/10/2020 20:42
You really cover yourself in glory on that thread.
MrsHamlet · 22/10/2020 20:42

If you don't like it, marcellemouse, scroll on.

Marcellemouse · 22/10/2020 20:44

Are the graphs an attempt to petrify us? We know it's in schools. We also know most DC will have a mild illness.

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