Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

This is the update from Bolton yesterday. If anyone can't read it, it's teeny writing, it says that while we we at capacity briefly, we aren't now. The numbers are not terrifying. It's exaggerated by the media just as Andy Burnham said.

I don’t think there’s any real evidence this is being caused by poor compliance. My understanding is that the government may have lifted restrictions based on southern figures and the north where infections remained higher is paying the price.

I’m from the midlands and have no links to greater Manchester so no particular reason to be defensive of that region. I just don’t think non-compliance is the real force behind this.

Whether you agree with how AB has gone about it or not, there can be no justification at all for the government to offer £60m but then to give little over a third of that.

It is quite clearly punishment by BJ. It is half what Liverpool and Lancashire have been given despite having larger population.

I sincerely hope someone is preparing the judicial review application. This government is a fucking disgrace

'Do you have any evidence to back this up?'

Well it's an infectious disease you see. I thought we all knew by now it is spread through social contact and people not social distancing

So my 'evidence' is those awful graphs Van Tam showed.

The attitude of some of those from Manchester on this thread is interesting as it does seem to illustrate exactly that, that they do think they are somehow special and different. If it is as posters say and people are simply ignoring the rules and socialising regardless then maybe AB should focus his attention and ire on his constituents.

What if, though, some of the reasons are a chronic underfunding of public institutions and infrastructure, lower levels of office-type jobs that can be done from home, a higher incidence of person-facing low-paid jobs, and an influx of students who were then cooped up and corralled in halls? Because then you'd just look like all smug and ignorant instead of recognising that AB is just trying to get what GM needs to survive this.

@lemonsandlimes123

Crapple - sorry how is that relevant to Andy Burnham's posturing over the move into Tier 3. Like many other places GM has had restrictions and now it needs further restrictions, I am not sure what your point is unless you are suggesting that because GM has already had some restrictions it shouldn't have any more? I assume that can't be your point though as that would be ridiculous.

It's relevant to your claim that GM isn't being asked to do anything different to the rest of the country, and we're somehow special and different. The fact that GM has, in fact, been asked to do something different to almost all of the rest of the country rather undermines your argument that it hasn't.

The idea of non compliance is based on the OP talking about civil unrest and some posters from the GM area who seem to be saying that people are still socialising in houses etc

Does anyone remember the respect Andy Burnham had for the NHS when he was health secretary? Mid Staffordshire hospital ringing any bells.
As a PP said an ICU consultant has said he needs to accept these restrictions. There aren't many times an NHS worker would publicly come out in support of the government
The Labour MP for GM was admitted to hospital with Covid pneumonia.
Burnham isn't denying a lockdown is needed anymore what he's saying is he wants £££££ for one. More than anyone else is getting.
Where's Keir Starmer in all of this- oh yes calling for a harsher national lockdown
Andy Burnham picked the wrong hill to die on with this

@AllTheUserNamesAreTaken

Whether you agree with how AB has gone about it or not, there can be no justification at all for the government to offer £60m but then to give little over a third of that.

It is quite clearly punishment by BJ. It is half what Liverpool and Lancashire have been given despite having larger population.

I sincerely hope someone is preparing the judicial review application. This government is a fucking disgrace

If they need a whip round for the legal fees I'm in.

There are some good graphs in the Times today showing in general hospital and ICU admissions are not that high, and also less in ICU than previous, along with very positive data about less being on ventilators and many more recording after ICU as well. Good to read.

recovering

Oh and this hospital covers an area populated by just under quarter of a million people. So 47 hospitalised people with a positive COVID result is not actually that bad.

@poshme

Totally agree with what *@Sertchgi123* said:

All those bleating for more and more money, do you know where this money is coming from?

As a pp said, they can take it from those immense budgets they have for all the projects they give to their cronies to make money out of. Or out of the pockets of those who have profited from the immense growth of inequality since the 1980s. Or perhaps just print more, the way they did when the banks needed it. 60 million, or even the 75 million requested is peanuts compared to HS2.

crapple - sorry please can you explain how going into Tier 3, which is what AB has kicked off about, is unique to GM and more stringent than measures which all areas of the country were under in the spring.

@MadeleineMaxwell

The attitude of some of those from Manchester on this thread is interesting as it does seem to illustrate exactly that, that they do think they are somehow special and different. If it is as posters say and people are simply ignoring the rules and socialising regardless then maybe AB should focus his attention and ire on his constituents.

What if, though, some of the reasons are a chronic underfunding of public institutions and infrastructure, lower levels of office-type jobs that can be done from home, a higher incidence of person-facing low-paid jobs, and an influx of students who were then cooped up and corralled in halls? Because then you'd just look like all smug and ignorant instead of recognising that AB is just trying to get what GM needs to survive this.

Yes, it does say a lot that so much of the criticism of Burnham (the other elected representatives of GM don't seem to have registered) is at the level of knowledge and coherence one would expect from the average spicehead in Piccadilly. There probably are some valid arguments that can be made against the GM coalition, but nobody on this thread has got anywhere close.

@Requinblanc

Many people commenting are missing the point entirely.

Burnham isn't against moving to tier 3.

He is against moving to tier 3 without financial support to help the people/businesses of Manchester survive...or the opportunity to take control of testing, track and trace locally. Because he knows that without that the lockdown will cause more hardship than anything else.

It is very disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

We need more politicians to challenge useless Johnson and his cronies.

Exactly the point, which you have made very well.

@MadeleineMaxwell well said

@lemonsandlimes123

crapple - sorry please can you explain how going into Tier 3, which is what AB has kicked off about, is unique to GM and more stringent than measures which all areas of the country were under in the spring.

He hasn't 'kicked off' about Tier 3.

Sigh.

It's about the economic measures.

Sigh.

@lemonsandlimes123

crapple - sorry please can you explain how going into Tier 3, which is what AB has kicked off about, is unique to GM and more stringent than measures which all areas of the country were under in the spring.

Sigh.

Going into Tier 3 having also had extra measures imposed over the summer, meaning we didn't get the recovery period that most of the rest of the country did, isn't quite unique to GM because there were a couple of other areas involved too, but it's not far off. Our businesses have taken much more of a battering than those in areas that have never had any extra local restrictions, and thus are in correspondingly worse shape than those where people were able to socialise as they wished for a couple of months.

Screw you Boris.

He's choosing this chaos.

madeleinemaxwell - all good points but those are long term issues and gripes to be sorted out not issues to be used as pawns in a grandstanding conflict with downing street.

Andy Burnham played a dangerous game. The compliance in GM is awful as some say on this thread and they idiots who are overwhelming hospitals and carrying on as though the rules are for others are spoiling it for everyone else.

GM cannot have it both ways. Either follow the SD and the rules, no mixing of households etc, masks everywhere and it will go down. Carry on visiting your extended family for hours on end will end in trouble.

My DF’s care home has been closed because a relative of a resident decided that the rules werent for them, they passed over presents, they hugged and kissed when the carers backs were turned. The home tried very hard with plastic screens, emails to relatives stating there could be no touching, or passing over presents. Those idiots thought they knew better. I could slap them hard for what they have done.

The result is two cases and the home being closed now. We can do Zoom calls though so that’s OK isn’t it....

I work in a very large, very busy, hospital in Greater Manchester (won't name, too outing). Our rate of infection is multiplying daily, it's truly terrifying. Nothing like during the last lockdown when we found ourselves with empty beds and time on our hands.

This morning a colleague told me that we have no 'side rooms' left in the entire hospital. These are rooms within wards where, thus far, we have been able to isolate Covid patients. The lack of side rooms means that going forward, Covid positive patients will now be given beds on non Covid wards amongst non Covid patients.

We do have a couple of wards that are designated Covid wards, but the numbers are now getting out of hand. The Covid patients are scattered all over the hospital and the rate of infection gathering momentum.

Just putting my two penneth in for those who are questioning the escalating rates of infection in Manchester. Speaking only for the trust I work at, I can assure you that we are now working at full capacity and are in grave danger of being overwhelmed imminently.

We have been in local lockdown since Eid.
I know of three secondary schools each having had two cases, a primary with one, another with several.
I also know of many people not masking and know some who are mixing households. I don't judge - it's sincerely not my business - but it does put the vulnerable at risk.
The mayor doesn't speak for me despite the fact that I am a gig economist and no longer furloughed - the figures speak for themselves and it's all very well being Citizen Smith until it's you who needs a bed and cannot get one.
I was cautiously concerned last month but it's either tier 3 or complete lockdown beckons and I know which I'd prefer.

'Yes, it does say a lot that so much of the criticism of Burnham (the other elected representatives of GM don't seem to have registered) is at the level of knowledge and coherence one would expect from the average spicehead in Piccadilly.'

Spicehead?

Oh crapple I do apologise that this level of debate is so beneath you .

Perhaps you should join Northern King Burnham on his next press conference/cringeworthy backslapping crusade hmm?