Manchester- screw you Boris

[Napqueen1234]

F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

@lemonsandlimes123

madeleinemaxwell - all good points but those are long term issues and gripes to be sorted out not issues to be used as pawns in a grandstanding conflict with downing street.

Do you think the 9 Conservative MPs who opposed the government were engaged in a grandstanding conflict with Downing Street too?

@Napqueen1234 Exactly. Pretty sure the rates rose, at least in a large part, because of a massive influx of students, UoM is the second biggest uni in the country after UCL, rather than somehow people living a couple of hours north being more selfish and non compliant. Maybe also something to do with population density, the number of people per square mile in GM compared to areas like the SW?

I don't see anything wrong with AB trying to get a better deal for the area he represents, as has been pointed out, per head GM will receive less than Liverpool and Lancaster. I'd be more cross with leaders in other tier 3 areas not showing as much anger for the way this destroys low paid workers in affected industries as he has, rather being angry at him. I don't support a race to the bottom. AB agrees the restrictions are needed, just that they need to be probably financially supported. These restrictions are likely to spread around the country in the coming weeks and months so it potentially affects everybody.

I also think that as £60m was on the table at lunchtime then miraculously wasn't a few hours later smacks more of political point scoring by BJ than AB.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Yes, it does say a lot that so much of the criticism of Burnham (the other elected representatives of GM don't seem to have registered) is at the level of knowledge and coherence one would expect from the average spicehead in Piccadilly.'

Spicehead?

Oh crapple I do apologise that this level of debate is so beneath you .

Perhaps you should join Northern King Burnham on his next press conference/cringeworthy backslapping crusade hmm?

You should probably not be calling anything else cringeworthy until you've learned the difference between directly elected mayors and ones that aren't. That particular gaffe stood out in a very competitive field.

Manchester surely needs to be locked down, to keep people alive? Or would they rather go to the pub together and to hell with the consequences?

Thanks for confirming that crapple :)

@lemonsandlimes123

Thanks for confirming that crapple :)

No worries

I live in Manchester and I am a key worker.

What people don't seem to understand is that Manchester has effectively been in Tier 2 restrictions for just under 3 months. Things are pretty dire here and our levels of poverty and deprivation were not exactly low to begin with.

The problem has never been the restrictions but the amount of people not following them. As well as more money, Andy Burnham was seeking more local powers to better enforce our lock down.

We're now in tier 3 and law abiding residents such as myself as well as businesses are going to be further punished.

We need to tackle those not abiding by the law, not keep bringing in tougher and tougher laws. Otherwise you may as well tell a toddler they're going to go in timeout if they break something valuable, and then tell them they will be grounded, and then they will be restricted to their room.... but wait.... the toddler is still doing it because you didn't follow through with your first threat...

No point having laws and restrictions if you're not actually going to enforce them.

crapple - "Do you think the 9 Conservative MPs who opposed the government were engaged in a grandstanding conflict with Downing Street too?"

Yes HTH

Oh and to put it in some perspective when we're talking about where the money is coming from don't forget the £50 million our beloved leader spent on a garden bridge in London that never got fucking built.

'You should probably not be calling anything else cringeworthy until you've learned the difference between directly elected mayors and ones that aren't. That particular gaffe stood out in a very competitive field.'

I couldnt actually give a rat's ass about this mayor and that mayor thanks.

My point is Burnham should be ramming the health issues and compliance down people's necks at any press conferences he hosts rather than trying to whip up a baying mob over 5m.

Why does the op and others (and the mayor) think Manchester should be treated differently. It's astonishing. I'm in a lock down area and on the whole people are just getting on with it, to save lives.

all good points but those are long term issues and gripes to be sorted out not issues to be used as pawns in a grandstanding conflict with downing street.

'Gripes'. Christ on a bike.

The graphs shown for infections and hospital admissions in the Greater Manchester area shouted out loud and clear. That area needs to lockdown before the deaths spiral out of control.

If I lived there I'd have locked down myself quite some time ago regardless of the political arguments. Anyone around there still wanting to go to a pub or mix with crowds is crazy as far as I'm concerned.

So my 'evidence' is those awful graphs Van Tam showed.

So you don’t have any evidence of lack of compliance then? Have you considered that the rules themselves may be insufficient?

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'You should probably not be calling anything else cringeworthy until you've learned the difference between directly elected mayors and ones that aren't. That particular gaffe stood out in a very competitive field.'

I couldnt actually give a rat's ass about this mayor and that mayor thanks.

My point is Burnham should be ramming the health issues and compliance down people's necks at any press conferences he hosts rather than trying to whip up a baying mob over 5m.

That's something quite different to what you wrote when you advertised to possibly hundreds of thousands of people that you don't even understand the role of the person you're criticising. Speaking of rat's arses, I doubt Andy Burnham and his next landslide electoral victory could give one about what you think.

madeleine - it's a turn of phrase!

@Louisianna16

For all those still peddling the "only 22 million" bollocks, the truth is that Burnham directly gets that, and the REST is being given directly to the businesses and local regions. It was made perfectly clear in the Press Conference.

This

@Randomschoolworker19

I live in Manchester and I am a key worker.

What people don't seem to understand is that Manchester has effectively been in Tier 2 restrictions for just under 3 months. Things are pretty dire here and our levels of poverty and deprivation were not exactly low to begin with.

The problem has never been the restrictions but the amount of people not following them. As well as more money, Andy Burnham was seeking more local powers to better enforce our lock down.

We're now in tier 3 and law abiding residents such as myself as well as businesses are going to be further punished.

We need to tackle those not abiding by the law, not keep bringing in tougher and tougher laws. Otherwise you may as well tell a toddler they're going to go in timeout if they break something valuable, and then tell them they will be grounded, and then they will be restricted to their room.... but wait.... the toddler is still doing it because you didn't follow through with your first threat...

No point having laws and restrictions if you're not actually going to enforce them.

I agree @Randomschoolworker19. And for those who do comply it’s constantly moving the goalposts. 3 months of not being able to have family round or any support (I have two small children including a baby so meeting people outside isn’t very practical). Sorry you have done that perfectly but it’s not working so now even harsher restrictions that not only make your day to day life incredibly unhappy difficult and stressful but also put huge financial pressure on you all. There will reach a point where people won’t comply because what’s the point? Even if you do things get worse and worse. Dying of covid is not the worse outcome any more.

Really .. how much evidence do you need ?

How would you feel if your child had a catastrophic asthma attack but couldn't be treated because there are NO ambulances ??

When it comes to MY child's life I would put up with ANY level of deprivation if it meant she didn't die for lack of resources!

'So you don’t have any evidence of lack of compliance then? Have you considered that the rules themselves may be insufficient'

Ah right so social distancing works in some places just not Greater Manchester. Got it. Nothing to do with compliance..

crapple - you advertised that you think that GM is in unique position and then promptly acknowledged that well actually maybe it's not. People in glass houses and all that!

@JaffaCake70 do you know why the Manchester nightingale hospital is not being utilised then? Surely that's what it was built for?

The minute somebody uses the word 'bleating', I can just smell the Farrow And Ball .

I think BJ is in the right, GM has got the same amount of money as other places put into tier 3. Why should they get more? The mayor was being greedy trying for more money and if BJ has given in then it would have set a precedent for a bidding war for other places to do the same.

Why can't they accept the same as other areas? They have been given the financial support for a lockdown so should not have delayed lockdown negotiating more. They won't be any more financially crippled than any of the other places in tier 3.

I don't buy this more people will die from MH argument. Over 41,000 people have died, I very much doubt that many will die from other factors involved with COVID.

They have there money, now lockdown. It's a no brainier. These peoples priorities will change when it's a relative if there's who can't get a hospital bed.

'Speaking of rat's arses, I doubt Andy Burnham and his next landslide electoral victory could give one about what you think.'

Yes the first correct thing you've said well done! it would indeed be quite extraordinary if he gave a rat's ass about what someone he's never met thought. Although he is keen on adulation so you never know.