Manchester- screw you Boris

[Napqueen1234]

F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

@WokesFromHome

Most northerners earn just above minimum wage. I know this because I am from there, have worked there and have loads of family living there. Down south, where I and one of my siblings live, we have opportunities that we would never get up there because London has all the top jobs. My DH earns at least 5 times that of my next relative and works half as hard.

My point is that If my DH got 60% of his salary that is one thing. 60% of not very much is a whole other thing. You can't pay your mortgage, feed your kids or put the heating on in winter. Christmas is now off the cards for a lot of people.

It's OK to spend 10 billion on track and bollocks, headed up by a family friend who has form for fucking things up. Anyone who wants to make a complaint about this can contact Dozo Hardings husband, John Penrose who is responsible for implementing the conservatives anti-corruption strategy.

Andy Burnham may look like he has been K'od but you will see the repercussions of this in the not so distant future. With one brush stroke, Boris and his cronies have just painted the whole of the north red.

Some of you have mentioned that people will still vote Tory. Yes they will in their cosy middle class homes and in the constituencies like mine where our Conservative MP doesn't even have to show their face for them to be voted in. However, there is no way that the north will vote Tory after this. Even if they don't agree with AB, they will see that Boris has treated them with contempt after promising to balance the wealth and the N/S divide.

Boris has just sounded the death knoll for both his corona strategy and the Tory party. If the Tory party has any sense they will have a vote of no confidence and kick him out because they just lost the north.

Standing ovation for this post!

No point asking for peace and love @mnhq whilst this kind of poster isn’t automatically banned.

Too bloody right. The Arena bombing wasn't so long ago, the inquiry is happening as we type. I am actually outraged, not just MN fummin.

@user1471505494 fuck you too! We don’t think we’re special, we asked for WHAT WE NEED!! We have a bigger population than other areas in tier 3.

I despair of this country, I really do.

@WokesFromHome

Most northerners earn just above minimum wage. I know this because I am from there, have worked there and have loads of family living there. Down south, where I and one of my siblings live, we have opportunities that we would never get up there because London has all the top jobs. My DH earns at least 5 times that of my next relative and works half as hard.

My point is that If my DH got 60% of his salary that is one thing. 60% of not very much is a whole other thing. You can't pay your mortgage, feed your kids or put the heating on in winter. Christmas is now off the cards for a lot of people.

It's OK to spend 10 billion on track and bollocks, headed up by a family friend who has form for fucking things up. Anyone who wants to make a complaint about this can contact Dozo Hardings husband, John Penrose who is responsible for implementing the conservatives anti-corruption strategy.

Andy Burnham may look like he has been K'od but you will see the repercussions of this in the not so distant future. With one brush stroke, Boris and his cronies have just painted the whole of the north red.

Some of you have mentioned that people will still vote Tory. Yes they will in their cosy middle class homes and in the constituencies like mine where our Conservative MP doesn't even have to show their face for them to be voted in. However, there is no way that the north will vote Tory after this. Even if they don't agree with AB, they will see that Boris has treated them with contempt after promising to balance the wealth and the N/S divide.

Boris has just sounded the death knoll for both his corona strategy and the Tory party. If the Tory party has any sense they will have a vote of no confidence and kick him out because they just lost the north.

'Most' northerners earn low wages? I think that's a massive generalisation coming from your very narrow viewpoint

I’m going to miss my gym.

@SarahMused

hesaidshesaidwhat I really hope that data would include the bigger picture because I suspect that lockdowns and the obsession with covid to the exclusion of anything else is now leading to as many deaths as it saves. I would like to see the ONS stats on how many people normally die at this time of year, how many beds are normally available in hospital, the average age of death of someone who dies after testing positive for covid etc. This would give a totally different picture to the one we have just been given in the press conference.

I would also like to see this.

What I can't understand is why scientists and politicians all over the world would want to make a mountain out of a molehill? For what?

@WokesFromHome

Most northerners earn just above minimum wage. I know this because I am from there, have worked there and have loads of family living there. Down south, where I and one of my siblings live, we have opportunities that we would never get up there because London has all the top jobs. My DH earns at least 5 times that of my next relative and works half as hard.

My point is that If my DH got 60% of his salary that is one thing. 60% of not very much is a whole other thing. You can't pay your mortgage, feed your kids or put the heating on in winter. Christmas is now off the cards for a lot of people.

It's OK to spend 10 billion on track and bollocks, headed up by a family friend who has form for fucking things up. Anyone who wants to make a complaint about this can contact Dozo Hardings husband, John Penrose who is responsible for implementing the conservatives anti-corruption strategy.

Andy Burnham may look like he has been K'od but you will see the repercussions of this in the not so distant future. With one brush stroke, Boris and his cronies have just painted the whole of the north red.

Some of you have mentioned that people will still vote Tory. Yes they will in their cosy middle class homes and in the constituencies like mine where our Conservative MP doesn't even have to show their face for them to be voted in. However, there is no way that the north will vote Tory after this. Even if they don't agree with AB, they will see that Boris has treated them with contempt after promising to balance the wealth and the N/S divide.

Boris has just sounded the death knoll for both his corona strategy and the Tory party. If the Tory party has any sense they will have a vote of no confidence and kick him out because they just lost the north.

Well said.

They offered 60m! Yet he demanded 5m more.

Liverpool got £44m for 1.5m people. Greater Manchester has a population of 2.8m - if every person is of equal value they should get £82m. And to now take that off the table, give £22m with the remaining to be negotiated by individual councils (ie a divide and conquer strategy) is appalling. Not least because the government already reneged on earlier promises to councils, so anyone who believes them is a fool.

[quote MonkeySnake]@toxtethOgradyUSA You're right. 50% of people would jump off a cliff if the scientific advisors told them to and the other 50% would jump off a cliff if the advisors told them not to.[/quote]
And therein lies the problem. When you have a society who don't trust and respect "experts" and politicians and you have a global panademic this is the result.
If you have a society which engages with and generally respects their politicians (e.g. Germany, Scandinavia) they are better able to get the public to engage with restrictions in a global panademic.
All the countries with populist governments have the highest death toll from covid-19.

I live in the south and I earn fuck all.

@user1471505494

Fuck Manchester and AB. Why do they they think they are so special. This pandemic is causing immense hardship and the sooner it comes back down to manageable levels the better. I’m fed up with hearing about the hospitality industry suffering. What about all the people and businesses who can’t begin to get back to work until things start to improve I follow the rules and if I can’t spend Christmas with my family group of 5 I won’t be blaming the Government I will be the stupid idiots who don’t care about anyone else

Fuck you right back.

Manchester asked for more support as the population area effected is greater.
Manchester is different to other cities as we've been subjected to restrictions greater than tier 2 since July.
Manchester's ICU beds are always at capacity this time of year.
Enough is enough. Either national lockdown or no restrictions.

@CrappleUmble

Blimey, imagine being gullible enough to believe this.

How is this gullible? The less people socially distance, the more the virus will spread. It’s a statement of the obvious for a disease that transmits via your breath!

Before social distancing became part of our vocabulary back in March, cases were soaring... Once we were started to socially distance later that month, cases started to fall. Where I live, we’re more socially distanced simply because we’re sparsely populated and, guess what, our numbers are far lower.

"yet won't decently support the ordinary citizens it expects to lock down" I seem to recall a lot of furlough money being paid out. Or are we now saying that came from Labour?

I really don't know if they have done the exact right thing at every step, but there's some really daft claims going about.

@MonkeySnake you said this:

The scientists agree with him and he tried to negotiate but Burnham said no over and over and over again. Is he supposed to just let vulnerable people in Manchester die?

This was what I responded to. I do not agree with it. It is not a case of move to tier 3 or “let vulnerable people in Manchester die”. There are a lot of things to consider, and in particular as Andy Burnham said at the press conference, there isn’t a lot of evidence that it is hospitality causing the problems. If we want to strike the right balance we need to consider where the problems are arising and how we deal with them in a proportionate way, not just say move to tier 3 or let people die.

What you did was misattribute an opinion to me and then tried to say that I agreed with you all along when I corrected you.

Please consider keeping hospitality open isn’t about the consumers’ right to drink. It’s about preventing poverty in those who rely on this sector to feed their children.

For all those still peddling the "only 22 million" bollocks, the truth is that Burnham directly gets that, and the REST is being given directly to the businesses and local regions.
It was made perfectly clear in the Press Conference.

All those bleating for more and more money, do you know where this money is coming from?

[quote Derbygerbil]@CrappleUmble

Blimey, imagine being gullible enough to believe this.

How is this gullible? The less people socially distance, the more the virus will spread. It’s a statement of the obvious for a disease that transmits via your breath!

Before social distancing became part of our vocabulary back in March, cases were soaring... Once we were started to socially distance later that month, cases started to fall. Where I live, we’re more socially distanced simply because we’re sparsely populated and, guess what, our numbers are far lower.[/quote]
Because you've totally left out all of the non-SD that isn't optional. The fact that we're less likely to have jobs that can be done remotely, to be able to choose not to take the sort of work that can't be made covid safe, to have incomes and employers that allow for the luxury of isolation.

I'm in Gtr Manchester and it's scary atm.
I'm not talking about covid, but the bigger picture.
We are ok because despite losing our business and no doubt having to sell our bricks n mortar we can live a different lifestyle no problem.
But for those who can't and will be made redundant and no chance of other work, I'm worried.
Boris just wants to continue the grim up north sentiment and couldn't give a shit.
There again a lot of idiots seemed to like him enough to vote for him.

But why didn't the government actually give the 60M if that's what they can afford, it's like they are playing a game of monopoly rather than trying to help people.

this.
I agree that manchester needs these restrictions given the numbers, but whether you agree with the way burnham has gone about this or not, the fact remains that the govt has decided to treat this like a hypothetical oxford union debate and is ‘punishing’ the loser. Completely blasé about the fact that these are actual people’s lives. People who, in many cases, voted tory for the first time in generations, in good faith. It’s vile.

From what I've read hospital numbers are not unusual for this time of year up there.

Saying that some hospitals are 90% full might terrify some people, but for those that work in those hospitals it's normal in October.

'Andy Burnham may look like he has been K'od but you will see the repercussions of this in the not so distant future. With one brush stroke, Boris and his cronies have just painted the whole of the north red.'

Oh I know lots of Northerners too, they all want him to shut up and get on with helping with the health crisis. He seems to be suffering from delusions of grandeur. Don't mayors tend to just cut ribbons and open new supermarkets?

@Napqueen1234

F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

Grow up. Manchester is in a dangerous position. What would you rather, Manchester's hospitals being overwhelmed, more people in Manchester dying, cases increasing?