Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

I fully support Andy Burnham, Boris has chosen to punish Manchester, why couldn't the 60 million be given as an interim payment until the issue was sorted out? I live in Sheffield, another mainly Labour area & I can see us being in the same situation as Manchester. You can bet if it was London or the South Boris would be throwing money at the situation.

For the one billionth time - per head parity would be over £80m. The Johnson government have said that £60m is on the table - not that it will be given. The government are actively withholding over £40m from their own citizens to try to bring local leader in to line

For only my second time on this thread, GM has the offer of £82m in total which is in line with the other tier 3 areas. AB could accept that now, but he's holding out for £87m - which would actually be more per capita than any other area. So people need to be careful about comparisons.

I have no photographic evidence or witness statements to back up anything that I’ve said.

I’m not after these (which would be anecdotal in themselves). I’m sick of the idea that the north west is less compliant that rUK when I’ve seen nothing to indicate that it’s true. Perhaps we are. But perhaps we have higher numbers of jobs that can’t be done from home, or perhaps we have greater reliance on informal childcare, or perhaps we have greater numbers of older people who show up more often in testing.

Mostly, I’m sick if people asserting “if we all complied there’d be no COVID problems” when I can’t see any evidence for that opinion.

I don't want to get involved in this argument because frankly it's doing my head in...

But do just want to say that I'm a Bristolian, and I have no idea why we've been not so badly affected ( so far!) but it's definitely not because we are all so compliant and better behaved than those awful northerners

I find this whole situation of blaming whole areas for their covid situation- if only they behaved like us everything would be ok - actually horrible

Very convenient for the government though

I do love Mumsnet, full on Tory haters but all “rules” are followed by the letter

For only my second time on this thread, GM has the offer of £82m in total which is in line with the other tier 3 areas.

Can you link to that? I’ve not seen anything like it from government sources, and I’d completely change my tune if that were true.

and Cumbria and Merseyside...and Cheshire

Yes and poor old Leicester which has really been under a strict lockdown for a heck of a long time and then there's Nottingham consistently sky high and Sheffield is rocketing

Liverpool agreed to tier 3 straight away, not a place known to be sympathetic to anything the Tories do, but they agreed

But none if these places are considered news worthy. Burnham needs to get a grip and calm down

@SheepandCow clearly we will have to disagree on this one. The late closure of borders from China affected everyone not just London although I don't doubt they suffered. The North West had the 3rd highest number of excess deaths in the UK after the South East and London. I'm not even starting on education attainment for the poor in many northern towns compared with the South. The extra funding per capita for public transport etc. Tbh I can't be bothered to argue but why do you think the government was talking about a northern powerhouse to address this issue? Even the Conservative government realised it was a problem.

Mostly, I’m sick if people asserting “if we all complied there’d be no COVID problems” when I can’t see any evidence for that opinion

Exactly it's a bloody virus just doing what virus' do. I honestly reckon even if every single person followed the rulez it would still spread because it's a virus

why couldn't the 60 million be given as an interim payment until the issue was sorted out

Because AB won't take it. He thinks it would be backing down and giving in to the govt/BoJo. The govt. have been rigid that it's £60m, AB has been rigid that it's £65m.

(I'm not a govt. economist or adviser, but couldn't they split the difference and go to £62.5m? probably not, that would mean they'd both be compromising and I think it's got past that point where either of them would give an inch.)

I haven't said there would be no problem if people complied. I do think that GM probably wouldn't have gone into T3 if more people had complied with SD and taking care on public transport though. But that's my opinion based on my own observations.

Well I'm in Manchester and I wont be complying. Boris hasnt proven anything other than let's bash the North yet again.
TBH I won't be doing anything forbidden but i will be travelling to my family in a tier one area (relevant exemptions apply)

'Well I'm in Manchester and I wont be complying. Boris hasnt proven anything other than let's bash the North yet again.'

🙄

Why won’t you follow the rules? Isn’t that sort of attitude why Manchester has high infection rates? And why ‘F boris’? He’s put you in a T3 because rates are extremely high. Are you saying you should have been allowed to carry on and allow rates get higher and putting pressure on the nhs and taking resource away from other ‘nhs work’. ??

@Didkdt

Does anyone remember the respect Andy Burnham had for the NHS when he was health secretary? Mid Staffordshire hospital ringing any bells. As a PP said an ICU consultant has said he needs to accept these restrictions. There aren't many times an NHS worker would publicly come out in support of the government The Labour MP for GM was admitted to hospital with Covid pneumonia. Burnham isn't denying a lockdown is needed anymore what he's saying is he wants £££££ for one. More than anyone else is getting. Where's Keir Starmer in all of this- oh yes calling for a harsher national lockdown Andy Burnham picked the wrong hill to die on with this

Good point...

@Springcatkin Yeah, I've got a feeling you won't be the only one. Think the vast majority are done with this bullshit. 🤷‍♂️

I'm not a govt. economist or adviser, but couldn't they split the difference and go to £62.5m? probably not, that would mean they'd both be compromising and I think it's got past that point where either of them would give an inch.

This is what is so depressing. They’re both democratically elected leaders. When Burnham walked away from £60m the government could have claimed an easy win over burnham by appearing magnanimous and giving £60m regardless, and Burnham would have appeared pathetic for holding out for a measly £5m more. But they decided to play silly beggars with the lives of 2.8m of the UK population. Dick heads.

For comparison, the pathetic Test and Trace system (which doesn’t work) costs more than 100 times more than Burnham has asked for.

@Poopoodidoo

I haven't said there would be no problem if people complied. I do think that GM probably wouldn't have gone into T3 if more people had complied with SD and taking care on public transport though. But that's my opinion based on my own observations.

This is like arguing with my mother. She thinks because one person in her office is 19 anyone who lost their job in a pub can just work in the civil service. Extrapolation from personal anecdotal experience is pointless at best and dangerous at worst

@GetOffYourHighHorse So you think all the scientists have made up the numbers in Manchester because boris dosnt like the north? 🤣🤣
No, you’ve been put in lockdown because your rates are high and judging by your attitude your probably part of the problem based on the fact you can’t follow the rules to reduce the spread.

@GetOffYourHighHorse apologises I thought what you wrote was your thread. It was meant for the one above ... @Springcatkin

'So you think all the scientists have made up the numbers in Manchester because boris dosnt like the north? 🤣🤣 No, you’ve been put in lockdown because your rates are high and judging by your attitude your probably part of the problem based on the fact you can’t follow the rules to reduce the spread'

I think you've misunderstood my posts..

I support lockdown and do indeed follow rules. It's folk who can't or won't who annoy me. Although I'm not in tier 3 areas.

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Tier 3 is no use when school are open.

thebiggestmoose " But do just want to say that I'm a Bristolian, and I have no idea why we've been not so badly affected ( so far!) but it's definitely not because we are all so compliant and better behaved than those awful northerners

I find this whole situation of blaming whole areas for their covid situation- if only they behaved like us everything would be ok - actually horrible

Very convenient for the government though"

A divide and rule strategy!

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Mostly, I’m sick if people asserting “if we all complied there’d be no COVID problems” when I can’t see any evidence for that opinion

Exactly it's a bloody virus just doing what virus' do. I honestly reckon even if every single person followed the rulez it would still spread because it's a virus

yep

cases are rising pretty much all over northern Europe despite whatever the people or governments are doing, or not doing.

That's just the way it is.