Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

@Flaxmeadow

Burnham was seeking funding for the whole of Greater Manchester, not just the city centre

Yes I know that. I'm the one who keeps reminding people that he is the mayor of a county (GM), not a city

But all we ever hear about is "Manchester".

Apologies. It sounded from your comment * So what? What about the rest of Greater Manchester, or most of Lancashire or half of West Yorkshire. They've also been in local lockdown for the same amount of time. Areas with just as much deprivation, more even. Millions of others, compared to Manchester the city, with what, a half a million people*

There are MPs now on Twitter saying GM is only getting 22m.

Did they even bother to listen to what was said. GM has been offered, and will get, the same as othe regions

The 22m is only part of it. As was made clear

Sorry accidentally pressed send when editing the bold markings! It sounded from your comment which I've quoted that you were asking why t he city and not the rest of GM.

@ColouringPencils 10000% agree

A fucking deal? The same policies should apply across all tier 3 regions.

I have to point out (again) that lots of people in GM are not following guidelines, and they weren’t following them long before students came back in September. I’ve mentioned public transport and shops and my local pub. I’ve also seen large gatherings amongst my Jewish neighbours, there were plenty of raves in the summer. I know people in Altrincham and Worsley who refuse to SD or wear masks because ‘having a life’ is more important. They’ve had hairdressers and botox people in their homes during T2 restrictions and invited friends from Liverpool over for the pamper parties. Non compliance has been across the board and throughout the various lockdowns and restrictions and it will continue in T3.

Sorry MNHQ I wasn't aware we were no longer allowed to use "ODFOD" apologies, I thought it was part of the site to be able to swear.

Sorry accidentally pressed send when editing the bold markings! It sounded from your comment which I've quoted that you were asking why t he city and not the rest of GM

Because the city is all Burnhan seems to care about. He doesn't even correct the media when they harp on about only the city.
GM is a county of 2.8m people. Only half a million of them live in Manchester

But my wider point was that there are other areas too, in GM, and outside GM, that have been in local lockdown for the same amount of time and that suffer just as much deprivation

What makes Manchester, or even GM, any different to them?

Did they even bother to listen to what was said. GM has been offered, and will get, the same as othe regions

For the one billionth time - per head parity would be over £80m. The Johnson government have said that £60m is on the table - not that it will be given. The government are actively withholding over £40m from their own citizens to try to bring local leader in to line, whilst under funding the area. Every person living in that area is a UK citizen, supposedly considered an equal by the UK government.

Non compliance has been across the board and throughout the various lockdowns and restrictions and it will continue in T3.

Do you have data on this, or is it totally anecdotal?

@Flaxmeadow

What people don't seem to understand is that Manchester has effectively been in Tier 2 restrictions for just under 3 months. Things are pretty dire here and our levels of poverty and deprivation were not exactly low to begin with.

So what? What about the rest of Greater Manchester, or most of Lancashire or half of West Yorkshire. They've also been in local lockdown for the same amount of time. Areas with just as much deprivation, more even. Millions of others, compared to Manchester the city, with what, a half a million people

Manchester is not the only place in this country that has been under local lockdown or with deprivation

And not to mention Leicester, in a strict lockdown longer than any place in the UK

The are talking about Greater Manchester, the county, not the city of Manchester. Basic facts that seem to be hard to understand.

The are talking about Greater Manchester, the county, not the city of Manchester. Basic facts that seem to be hard to understand.

No the post I was replying to was talking about "Manchester"

I know GM is a county, but the post didnt say GM. Infact most peoples post don't say GM

@ChloeCrocodile I’ve seen it with my own eyes and been invited to the house gatherings (I politely declined the very kind invitations)

Those saying that the govt was offering more than £22 million, on sky news twitter feed:

The PM is asked a fourth time for clarity on final funding for Greater Manchester.

On the extra £60m the government reportedly offered and is now refusing to say whether it will honour or not, Mr Johnson says "our door is open to continue that particular conversation".

It is only in the last couple of hours that the govt has said that the £60 million is on offer but according the Peston's twitter feed :

The narrow political point however is why
@BorisJohnson
seemed incapable of saying this in the press conference. Every one of his MPs will be scratching their heads in puzzlement and exasperation. Many of them think Burnham has out-manoeuvred him
Quote Tweet

Robert Peston
@Peston
· 3h
For what it's worth, Downing Street insists the £60m for supporting Greater Manchester businesses is still on offer ("it is still there") but they can't hand it over if Andy Burnham won't accept it! Paging Mr Dali

I’ve seen it with my own eyes and been invited to the house gatherings (I politely declined the very kind invitations)

So anecdotal then. No actual data to back up your position.

@ChloeCrocodile 😂

@Chestnutacorns123
we are a London centric country
No we're bloody not. Pretty much everyone agrees the first lockdown came far too late to save the thousands of Londoners who died. London centric? Ok that's why, despite the situation in China being clear, daily flights to London (no tests, checks, or quarantine) stopped only when China closed their borders.

The ONS data published for the first wave writes of how London's extreme deprivation directly contributed to the high death rates.

People far too often confuse where rich people work with where they live.

They make money out of London - often at great cost to Londoners. They might live part-time or temporarily in London but their main homes are in the home counties and the shires.

@allmycats

Burnham is a shit stirrer of the 1st degree. Why should his region have more support than others who have already been in tier 3 for some weeks? He thinks he knows better than the Manchester hospitals ITU chiefs. He is another man putting his own personal ambition above everything else.

He is only arguing for the same amount per head that Lancashire and Liverpool chance been given.

‘ My area has less than 300 cases per 100k, rates are coming down. And yet we are included in the tier 3 restrictions. ‘

It's because you're under restrictions that the cases are coming down!

@ivftake1 you’ve misunderstood what the poster is saying. They are saying they are in tier 2 with rates below 300 and the rates are dropping but despite this happening under tier 2 restrictions, they will be moving into tier 3 on Friday.
I believe the poster and I are in the same area

poopoopidoo I’m not sure why you think my comment is funny. Care to explain? All I’m asking for is evidence of assertions - I think that pretty reasonable tbh.

Clever though isn't it.

All this regional division and resentment and everywhere set against everywhere else.

Nicely takes the focus off where the fault really lies (the government's world beating incompetence) and what actually needs to be done to effectively contain Covid.

....it also doesn't help that the media keep saying "Manchester" (a city). When they should be saying Greater Manchester (a county)

Or when referring to local lockdowns as being in the "the North West". When what they really mean is Greater Manchester, Lancashire and West Yorkshire (which isn't even in the North West)

@ChloeCrocodile - you’ve got me bang to rights. I’ve witnessed these things but I didn’t document them. I have no photographic evidence or witness statements to back up anything that I’ve said.

@SheepandCow

Clever though isn't it.

All this regional division and resentment and everywhere set against everywhere else.

Nicely takes the focus off where the fault really lies (the government's world beating incompetence) and what actually needs to be done to effectively contain Covid.

Agree.

@Flaxmeadow and Cumbria and Merseyside.

And Cheshire