Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

Actually this is the only way it could work for both sides.

The government could never concede to the demands. It would lead to endless delays and challenges. Burnham couldn’t back down. The additional restrictions are needed.

Now the government looks firm. Burnham hasn’t conceded but can accept the £60m begrudgingly.

Typical political posturing and manoeuvring on both sides.

Yes the numbers are rising now but they were low throughout from March onwards. Someone said that places with low numbers don't have universities, I was highlighting that numbers in the SW have been low and although now rising, they are still much lower than other areas despite having several big universities.

People who are sick of this and aren't following the rules and didn't right back in feb when we were Originally told to social distance, are causing this to go on much longer than it would have if we'd had more compliance during lockdown and once it was lifted. They can't seem to register that though.

BJ can't win because he is a prize cunt for playing politics with this issue. He offered Manchester 60m. Burnham wanted much more but eventually came down to 65m. Then BJ announces this 60m figure has come down to 22m. This is to 'punish' Burnham for standing up to him. In reality it punishes the people of Manchester who had no say in any of these talks. Only a fucking sociopath would so brazenly play politics when people are dying and lives are being ruined.

It hasn't 'come down' to 22m. They were getting that anyway. Andy Burnham chose to walk away from the additional 60m that was offered. Boris has left this open for further negotiation.

Burnham is a self aggrandizing, puffed up, grandstanding twat.

I half expected him to come out dressed in Lincoln Green channelling the ghost of Robin Hood standing up to the big bad nasty boss.The half wits cheering him on while numbers raise are more to be pitied than laughed at.

He will have blood on his hands-Manchester hospitals are filling up.

I hope his dream of leading the Labour Party sinks without trace-the shite scally dangling gormless looking piece of shit.

@studychick81

Yes the numbers are rising now but they were low throughout from March onwards. Someone said that places with low numbers don't have universities, I was highlighting that numbers in the SW have been low and although now rising, they are still much lower than other areas despite having several big universities.

People who are sick of this and aren't following the rules and didn't right back in feb when we were Originally told to social distance, are causing this to go on much longer than it would have if we'd had more compliance during lockdown and once it was lifted. They can't seem to register that though.

The numbers are lower in the SW because the population is nowhere near as dense, cities are much smaller and more people have jobs where they can wfh. Why can't you register that?

People in the north aren't a different species, there's no reason why they'd be any less compliant than people who live anywhere else. My family live in the East Midlands, loads of non-compliance amongst them and their wider social groups but they live in a county where the biggest town has a population of 200,000 so it doesn't spread as easily

Correction: additional payment to the total 60m that was offered. Boris has left this open for further negotiation. The long delay of 10 days while letting infections rise is all down to Andy Burnham alone.

What people don't seem to understand is that Manchester has effectively been in Tier 2 restrictions for just under 3 months. Things are pretty dire here and our levels of poverty and deprivation were not exactly low to begin with.

So what? What about the rest of Greater Manchester, or most of Lancashire or half of West Yorkshire. They've also been in local lockdown for the same amount of time. Areas with just as much deprivation, more even. Millions of others, compared to Manchester the city, with what, a half a million people

Manchester is not the only place in this country that has been under local lockdown or with deprivation

And not to mention Leicester, in a strict lockdown longer than any place in the UK

Some people on this thread are disgusting.

Fuck you Boris!

Greater Manchester deserves the same amount per capita as any other tier 3 area. Significantly more than £60m.

I don't think it's due to Andy Burnham that the government held out on imposing tier 3 restrictions. It was their own backbench MPs from the area they wanted to appease.

If people on this thread want to follow the scientific advice you should be advocating the circuit breaker. That is after all in line with the scientific thinking. It's hard to see how shutting down pubs that don't serve meals and soft play areas is going to have any impact other than putting some people out of business/into poverty.

My area has less than 300 cases per 100k, rates are coming down. And yet we are included in the tier 3 restrictions.

'half expected him to come out dressed in Lincoln Green channelling the ghost of Robin Hood standing up to the big bad nasty boss.The half wits cheering him on while numbers raise are more to be pitied than laughed at.'

Funny but sadly very true.

Greater Manchester deserves the same amount per capita as any other tier 3 area. Significantly more than £60m.

They have been given the same amount per capita as the other counties/regions

My area has less than 300 cases per 100k, rates are coming down. And yet we are included in the tier 3 restrictions.

It's because you're under restrictions that the cases are coming down!

@Lily193

BJ can't win because he is a prize cunt for playing politics with this issue. He offered Manchester 60m. Burnham wanted much more but eventually came down to 65m. Then BJ announces this 60m figure has come down to 22m. This is to 'punish' Burnham for standing up to him. In reality it punishes the people of Manchester who had no say in any of these talks. Only a fucking sociopath would so brazenly play politics when people are dying and lives are being ruined.

It hasn't 'come down' to 22m. They were getting that anyway. Andy Burnham chose to walk away from the additional 60m that was offered. Boris has left this open for further negotiation.

FOR THOSE NOT LISTENING TO THE NEWS PROPERLY, I FEEL A NEED TO SHOUT OUT THAT GREATER MANCHESTER IS NOT JUST GETTING £20M. THATS JUST FOR LOCAL TEST AND TRACE AND ENFORCEMENT.

THEY HAVE BEEN OFFERED AN ADDITIONAL £60M FOR BUSINESS SUPPORT AND OTHER MEASURES AS THEY SEE FIT. THE AMOUNT IS STILL ON THE TABLE. IT HAS NOT BEEN WITHDRAWN BY A SPITEFUL GOVERNMENT.

THE AMOUNTS OF BOTH ELEMENTS ARE COMMENSURATE WITH THE OTHER REGIONS IN TIER THREE, BASED ON POPULATION SIZE.

ALSO APART FROM AND PUBS, BARS NOT SERVING FOOD, THE LOCAL AUTHORITY CAN DECIDE ON WHAT OTHER VENUES TO CLOSE. LIVERPOOL CLOSED GYMS, LANCASHIRE DID NOT.

I BELIEVE LANCASHIRE CLOSED SOFT PLAY BUT LIVERPOOL DIDN'T.

NOW THE FACTS ARE STRAIGHT LET'S CARRY ON WITH A MORE SENSIBLE DISCUSSION.

@Flaxmeadow Burnham was seeking funding for the whole of Greater Manchester, not just the city centre

They have been given the same amount per capita as the other counties/regions

Manchester: £7.85 per person

Robert Jenrick's constituency: £237 per person

Big Ben got £80 million FFS.

But no, Manchester's so 'special', obviously.

I admire the idea but can't help but think that a) Burnham should've taken his Fight for the North road show to Number 10 long before this pandemic, he's right on that one but not sure now is the best timing, b) maybe if he'd done more to try and quell the large numbers flouting the rules earlier in lockdown the rates in GM wouldn't be rising as they are and therefore they wouldn't be facing the highest tier and c) he has divided many people by making it about money when a lot of people are more worried about their health and family. Plus, if other areas with rising rates start bargaining for massive bailouts if they end up facing the possibility of moving up a tier, where will it end? I bet Liverpool and Lancashire are wishing they'd held out for more cash! I'm interested to see how this money will be divided and spent.

@GetOffYourHighHorse your posts are seriously annoying me now. Your assumption that the higher covid rate in the North, a population of around 5 million now in Tier 3 lockdown is because they are not able to SD like you (presumably a southerner) is astounding. We all saw the scenes on Bournemouth beach in July. I can assure you, I did not see any SD there. I therefore take from this that people demonstrate similar behaviours, regardless of where they are in the country. Perhaps, you should try to analyse some of the reasons why infections are higher. From the top of my head, virus rates never fell to the levels in the South but as we are a London centric country, this of course did not matter. A large student population with 3 universities in Manchester alone. Large numbers of multigenerational households. High population density compared to many areas. Lower number of office jobs that can be done from home. That's a few to start with.

Hospitals are always full at this time of year. My computer screen constantly flashes how few beds there are. It's been like that for years. Covid simply adds pressure to a system that was always one step away from collapsing.

Burnham was seeking funding for the whole of Greater Manchester, not just the city centre

Yes I know that. I'm the one who keeps reminding people that he is the mayor of a county (GM), not a city

But all we ever hear about is "Manchester".

@Lily193

Correction: additional payment to the total 60m that was offered. Boris has left this open for further negotiation. The long delay of 10 days while letting infections rise is all down to Andy Burnham alone.

Nope, Johnson expects people to live on 2/3rds of the min wage, around £5 ph. Plus 3 months of restrictions hasn't cut infections, the fact Hospitals have little capacity is something that happens every year, down to an underfunded NHS... CV highlights how voting Tory is like shooting yourself in the head but feeling good about it!

@gettinggrumpier I hope the CAPS LOCK has made you feel better. Johnson is supposed to be prime minister for the whole country. If he feels £60m is necessary for Greater Manchester it should be given. It isn’t commensurate with other areas given population size (Liverpool pop 1.5m support £44m would mean £80m+ for GM’s 2.8m pop). But he’s trying to bring the uppity northern mayor in to line.

If the government were even half capable, the financial support for areas moving in to tier 3 would be set before any area was expected to move tiers. As it happens, Johnson’s government are just a bit shit.

Rule of 6, don't mix households, social distance. All too confusing?!

Sorry but that’s a simple view of the rules. The practical reality of the rules is the problem.
The fact you can go on holiday to Tenerife and sit on a plane with plenty of strangers but not see your mum and dad indoors.
That you can send your kids to school with 30 others but they aren’t allowed to meet outside school in a house.
That you can go to work in a workplace and mix with people there with flimsy ‘Covid secure’ precautions.
Etc

That’s why people are fed up. That’s why many people have chosen to take decision to break rules for their own sanity.

That’s the government fault for shit rules, for wasting the summer and not getting testing and track and trace ready and for leaving areas with restrictions for far too long.

Remember at the start of the lockdown Whitty was big on behaviour economics and ensuring the lockdown wasn’t too early so people didn’t get fed up. Why do we no longer care about that? Is it because people ‘up north’ don’t matter? Because that’s how it’s been taken up here. The government and CMO have failed us.

GM is to get £22m for track and trace. The govt. offer of £60m for business and individual support still stands, in addition to the £22m, so £82m in total. The other tier 3 regions have to cover t&t from the lump sum quoted, so GM is being treated exactly the same as elsewhere per capita.

However AB won't accept the 60m, he's holding out for 65m which the govt. won't agree to. The govt. aren't handing over the £60m until he accepts that that's the deal. Stand off. So for now the £22m is all they're getting, but the £60m is still there for the to take as well.

No fan of BoJo but AB is doing GM no favours at all.

@lemonsandlimes123
I disagree levels in many cites and towns did not fall to the low levels seen in London/South east. For example Trafford, Preston, Bolton and Leicester instantly spring to mind.

@cooperage

What's so special about Manchester?

Why shouldn't it be put in tier 3 and given the same support as other cities that are in big trouble? Because Mancunians shout louder?

All it's asking for is the same support as other places. Liverpool and Lancashire were both given twice as much money as Manchester, despite both having half the population.

@Chloemol

Sorry but why exactly should Manchester have more than other areas?

He was offered £60m, far more than elsewhere and quibbled over £5m. Well now he has £22m.

And that's ok?

The government are trying to punish him but instead they are punishing the people of greater Manchester, which is frankly fucking disgusting.

Boris and his smarmy mates should be utterly fucking ashamed of themselves.

In fact I cannot believe anyone is complaining about a mayor wanting BETTER for the people in his area. Maybe we'd all have nicer lives if there were more leaders like him.