Manchester- screw you Boris

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F you Boris

There will be civil unrest in Manchester following this and I don’t blame them.

People won’t follow the rules as they have no respect for the government any more. Does anyone? Incompetence bullshit and lies.

Those saying that lockdown was done on London's timetable - it actually came too late for a lot of London not to mention the rest of the country. The way govt have handled it all is a disgrace from Dominic Cummings and continuing on through the shambles of test and trace. By God there are too many fuck ups to list but the fact that AB and the other GM politicians were prepared to delay lockdown at all in order to further their own political agendas is IMO a disgrace. If it's not about posturing then accept Tier 3 and then argue about the money. It's not as if AB and GM had any cards to play, they had no leverage as has been shown today by the imposition of Tier 3. Given that that was the situation there is no other conclusion than that AB and the others were playing politics and i equally include Boris in that as well.

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The minute somebody uses the word 'bleating', I can just smell the Farrow And Ball .

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Then AB is a showing double standards. Wanted the north to stay in lockdown later and was ok about the financial burden on people, MH and businesses and now suddenly he's not ok and doesn't want the lockdown. A longer lockdown might have done more damage.

BJ can't win, they tried to help those struggling businesses and those on low wages who work in hospitality by putting incentives in place to get people spending after lockdown, unfortunately this led to an increase in COVID numbers but if it hadn't I am sure everyone would have been praising these measures. Now they are trying to protect people and they are being criticised. I don't think they can ever do the right thing.

Because you've totally left out all of the non-SD that isn't optional. The fact that we're less likely to have jobs that can be done remotely, to be able to choose not to take the sort of work that can't be made covid safe, to have incomes and employers that allow for the luxury of isolation.

True, but it seems too many aren’t even trying - see post about 30-50% not wearing face coverings on public transport in Salford. It seems no accident that places with relatively low cases seem to have much higher compliance.

BJ simply could not get into negotiations about amounts of money, it would open the floodgates for this to happen every time they shut down another place. Can you imagine each city delaying lockdown because they wanted more money? It would start a bidding war. It just wasn't possible.

@Derbygerbil

Because you've totally left out all of the non-SD that isn't optional. The fact that we're less likely to have jobs that can be done remotely, to be able to choose not to take the sort of work that can't be made covid safe, to have incomes and employers that allow for the luxury of isolation.

True, but it seems too many aren’t even trying - see post about 30-50% not wearing face coverings on public transport in Salford. It seems no accident that places with relatively low cases seem to have much higher compliance.

I have absolutely no doubt that some aren't trying at all, but there's a substantial step between that and suggesting that if they did, we wouldn't be in Tier 3 now. PHE have said the virus is now endemic in the higher incidence areas of northern England. That means we've gone long past the point where face coverings on public transport would solve the issue.

GM's clear lack of compliance and social distancing.

What total and utter dogshit. It is people like YOU who want to believe the divisive shit coming out of government that are the problem in this pandemic.

No more people in ITU than usual for the time of year and cases going down. Let’s impose level 3 lockdown.

#whyaretheydoingthis

It seems no accident that places with relatively low cases seem to have much higher compliance.

And in most cases higher infections the first time so greater immunity from that and a much lower proportion of students.

@studychick81

Then AB is a showing double standards. Wanted the north to stay in lockdown later and was ok about the financial burden on people, MH and businesses and now suddenly he's not ok and doesn't want the lockdown. A longer lockdown might have done more damage.

BJ can't win, they tried to help those struggling businesses and those on low wages who work in hospitality by putting incentives in place to get people spending after lockdown, unfortunately this led to an increase in COVID numbers but if it hadn't I am sure everyone would have been praising these measures. Now they are trying to protect people and they are being criticised. I don't think they can ever do the right thing.

BJ can't win because he is a prize cunt for playing politics with this issue. He offered Manchester 60m. Burnham wanted much more but eventually came down to 65m. Then BJ announces this 60m figure has come down to 22m. This is to 'punish' Burnham for standing up to him. In reality it punishes the people of Manchester who had no say in any of these talks. Only a fucking sociopath would so brazenly play politics when people are dying and lives are being ruined.

Teat- places in the SW like Bristol and bath have multiple universities and still numbers are significantly lower.

I used to work in Manchester royal ITU. Most weeks/days we were full operating one in one out sort of policy even in the summer sometimes.
Not sure how many extra critical care beds they've managed to make though I'd imagine not many as staffing was quite problematic at times.

It's ran by an excellent group of medics and nurses. Really feel for them all right now

Their rates were lower in the first place which makes a difference. Bristol had student cases when I looked at the map last week.

To blame the residents of Manchester, who are like any people in any town is frankly disgusting

The last I heard they had £60 million like other places. Burham tried to be greedy and get more than everyone else, he tried to play the game and lost. At the end of the day he lost out over £5 million. He was stupid. He should have just accepted what was offered like other tier 3 cities.

Burnham negotiated in good faith - he had costed much higher than 65 million but had come down to that during the negotiation.

The mistake he made was simply trying to negotiate with a man as untrustworthy as Boris . Remember how he shafted Gove.

Burnham seems like a good and passionately honourable man.

I have no words to describe Boris.

[quote Drogonssmile]@JaffaCake70 do you know why the Manchester nightingale hospital is not being utilised then? Surely that's what it was built for?
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I have no idea. I said the exact same thing in a conversation with my workmates today.. I was told it's because there are no staff for the Nightingale, and no money to finance staff.. I don't know how true that is though.

'If people aren’t complying with rules it’s because they’ve been confusing and ill thought out and people are sick of how long this has gone on'

Rule of 6, don't mix households, social distance. All too confusing?!

Yes it has gone on too long true. Some people are just so selfish doing exactly what they like.

We've had 2 conflicting stories on here. 1.'they are sick of it as they've been in restrictions since aug' and 2. 'the restrictions were lifted too early!'. Which is it? Make your minds up! Either Government's fault of course.

'No more people in ITU than usual for the time of year and cases going down. Let’s impose level 3 lockdown.'

Do you ever watch the news? Or press conferences? Van Tam explained exactly the risks with numbers climbing steadily.

But he shouldn't have negotiated to begin with, why did he need more? Liverpool and other places probably thought they needed more but accepted the offer and acceptance lockdown was needed for the greater good.

@hesaidshesaidwhat Boris and his yes men don't do logic

Do you ever watch the news? Or press conferences? Van Tam explained exactly the risks with numbers climbing steadily.

Do you ever think critically or is it easier just to believe everything you are told?

Map of Bristol attached. One area more than 400

Why didn't he lockdown and then negotiate? He had no cards to play, he couldn't stop the lockdown which is why the whole thing smacks of playing politics, on both sides. Boris is a twat everyone knows that, what we don't need is AB goading him into greater twattery!

@studychick81

Teat- places in the SW like Bristol and bath have multiple universities and still numbers are significantly lower.

Bristol has 2 universities with around 50,000 students. University of Manchester has around 40,000 alone. If you include the other 4 universities in the city, Manchester has over 100,000 students

What strikes me is just how overlooked are the poor sods in Manchester (and everywhere else) who got made redundant or became too ill to work before Covid. Believe me they're on way way less than 80% of income. They're languishing on £74 a week and no-one - including Burnham - seems to give a shit about them. Nobody worries about how they (can't) pay their rent or bills.

National Universal Basic Income and a national approach to restrictions is the best way. All this ridiculous political bartering is a dangerous distraction. It does very little to help contain Covid but ever so much to increase division and resentment. Egged on by a highly irresponsible mischief making drama loving (and stoking) media.

It's not a punishment, Burnham rejected the offer. Surely the anger should be directed at him for fucking up negotiations??