Are more people following the rules now?

[Watermelon999]

Just that really......

Anyone still not following the rules?

What are your reasons/ rationale.

@bibbitybobbitycats

The other thing about not following the rules is that it is giving Johnson a get out of jail free card. When things go even more tits up, he will blame the public.

That would happen anyway. Theres always going to be someone not following the rules. Who will be blamed. Hell, a lot of the guidance has been purposely vague I think, so the public can be blamed. Definitely the first 'go to work, but don't go out, but try not to use public transport, but if you have to then do but try to work from home while not using buses, and go to work' message was like that for a reason!

Many of the public seem to be thinking this way too. Have lost track of the amount of posters I have seen saying 'we are still in this pandemic because of rule breakers' and stuff. Its weird. The rulebreakers won't be helping numbers, but clearly they are not the actual cause of the rising numbers, that would be the eat out to help out along with schools going back, the uni fiasco(that people still blame students for. When Unis outright lied to students saying they had to be onsite, took their cash, then decided it was online only..was the fault of the students apparently.) and many workplaces going back too, at the same time. Its actually a little confusing, the amount of people who seem to think 'if everyone just followed the rules, this would go away', 'we are only suffering because people wouldn't follow rules' etc, when really, everyone could follow every rule to the letter and numbers would still be rising as long as people have contact..private family gatherings are not driving this in reality. Not when people mix in so many other areas also.

@NRatched spot on!! Thats exactly what I think. These people who say 'we are only suffering because people arent following rules' are very narrow minded if they think simply not seeing family indoors will fix this. It wont, not when people are still working, going on the bus, putting kids in nursery, going to school, and going to university (all of which cant stop TBH). This is a virus. It cant be beaten by 'following rules' set by a government who have equally no idea about how to fix this. They just dont want to tell us that this cannot be fixed.

[quote SqidgeBum]@NRatched spot on!! Thats exactly what I think. These people who say 'we are only suffering because people arent following rules' are very narrow minded if they think simply not seeing family indoors will fix this. It wont, not when people are still working, going on the bus, putting kids in nursery, going to school, and going to university (all of which cant stop TBH). This is a virus. It cant be beaten by 'following rules' set by a government who have equally no idea about how to fix this. They just dont want to tell us that this cannot be fixed.[/quote]
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No. From what I see on social media it seems less and less people are following the rules. As a family we are but that’s mostly because we aren’t that social anyway

This is a virus. It cant be beaten by 'following rules'

No it can't be beaten buy rule following, only a vaccine will do that.

The rate of infection can be slowed however. That way millions of people don't get ill all at the same time, which would cause chaos and terrible damage to the economy. That's why I am following the rules and I don't think that is "narrow minded" of me. But it's pointless arguing the toss about it really as people on both sides of the argument are now firmly entrenched in their positions.

Tier one so no additional restrictions here. I’m following the rules that I have to. Won’t be following them if they try to stop us visiting and socialising with friends though. I’m not friendly with enough people to break the ‘rule of 6’
We don’t go anywhere - no pub visits or loads of eating out etc. Both still travelling to work but my office is a ghost town.

I’m sick of being reduced to nothing more than a consumer in the governments eyes. Encourage me to go out and spend my money but deny us of a human need to interact with others?!

If anything, the people I know are following the rules less

[quote SqidgeBum]@NRatched spot on!! Thats exactly what I think. These people who say 'we are only suffering because people arent following rules' are very narrow minded if they think simply not seeing family indoors will fix this. It wont, not when people are still working, going on the bus, putting kids in nursery, going to school, and going to university (all of which cant stop TBH). This is a virus. It cant be beaten by 'following rules' set by a government who have equally no idea about how to fix this. They just dont want to tell us that this cannot be fixed.[/quote]
Hmmm, but the virus doesn't affect everyone the same way. We know that the consequences of older people catching it are more serious. Retired people don't have to go to work, don't have to go to school, nursery or university nor use public transport.

Transmission occurs mostly indoors, in poorly ventilated areas, when you have close contact with someone over a prolonged period of time. Because I live with school aged children and a DH who has to leave the house, I do more to mitigate the risk to my over 70s parents. The more my children and I are mixing with the wider world the less I feel able to spend time indoors with older relatives. I can't understand the logic behind 'I have to go to work and my children have to go to school therefore we are going to see all our extended family as much as possible in exactly the same way as we've always seen them'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54570373

Good summary.

@Fortyfifty we were recently on a trip to the coast and the majority of people there were well over retirement age, no one was social distancing. As my mum always says, I'm old, not dead, and I'd like to live while I'm still here.

That seems to be a common phrase amongst retired people who are still very mobile and independent. They didn't retire to sit at home all day! Plus many grandparents provide essential childcare of their grandchildren. I have yet to meet an older person who didn't still want to feel useful and relevant to the world.

Guyfawkes. I'm really not advocating for retired people to sit indoors by themselves until there is a vaccine. I'm pleased my parents still do activities out of their house but I know that those activities are much less likely to lead to them getting covid 19, and potentially very ill, than spending time with me and my DC indoors for a prolonged period of time. It's surprising to me that other people haven't taken that on board, even if they're in a Tier 2 or 3 area where mixing households is now not permitted.