Are more people following the rules now?

[Watermelon999]

Just that really......

Anyone still not following the rules?

What are your reasons/ rationale.

It seems Covid is much more likely to be spread indoors. Going to school/nursery etc. is risky but the Gov are trying to keep schools and childcare open by reducing other types of contact - so the inevitable spread in those settings won't tip the numbers balance into needing schools to close.
So although it may not make sense to you that your kid can go to school but not mix with those same kids in your house out of school - there is a reason for it.
I just think if we can follow restrictions and reduce the spread them there's more chance of seeing the family at Christmas!

@NaturalLight

So all those who are breaking rules and still seeing people inside, do you not worry that you might have Covid and will spread it?

No. Because rates where I live are around 80 per 100,000.

So there's a 99.9992% chance that I don't have Covid.

I am and other than a few exceptions it makes me cross that others aren’t.

Oh and also, I am working from home, DH is working from home, we are not using public transport ever. So our lifestyle in general is low risk.

Me going to a friend's for coffee isn't allowed but is lower risk than sitting on a train for an hour a day, or being in an office with other people. So we assess our own risk.

I suppose we would be classed as rule breakers. We live in lancashire, tier 3, but are on holiday in another part of England at the moment. We also will be seeing my mum at her home.

I am following the rules I can and happy to give up luxuries and things which were core to my life before Covid with the exception of seeing family. I did this for as long as I could but it has had a massive impact on my mental health (more so than the detrimental impact on my career and financial impact) so I will not be doing that. IMO making it illegal to see family is in contravention of human rights. I have no children of school age and so I am certain that any contribution to spread this may (very unlikely) make is less than the majority of society.

I suppose we would be classed as rule breakers. We live in lancashire, tier 3, but are on holiday in another part of England at the moment. We also will be seeing my mum at her home.

There's no suppose about it. And it's the law you're breaking, not rules. Unless you're in your Mum's support bubble as the only household she sees, that is.

Travelling isn't against the law. It is advisory, not law.

My mum is 75 and alone. She is capable of assessing risk for herself and choosing to see us.

My mum is 75 and alone. She is capable of assessing risk for herself and choosing to see us

Exactly. Some adult children seem to be babying their parents. My mum (81) has a friend who is 66 with no underlying conditions, yet her daughter will only stand at the end of her garden to talk to her.

The said friend has been out for coffee with my mum (they are tier one) and the dd was not pleased. I can't see the problem.

So many people assess their own risk. Makes you wonder why we need medical advisors and scientists. What do they know eh?

So many people assess their own risk. Makes you wonder why we need medical advisors and scientists. What do they know eh?

Exactly. I mustn't be as clever as all these "own risk assesors"

Unless we are living in a dictatorship surely people are allowed to make their own decisions

Both my parents have died but I can honestly say that if they were still alive I would not be having a conversation with them from the end of their path month after month. Utter madness

I have two people (from different households) in my support bubble. One is a good friend and we work together every day in a small office, so the increased risk from also having him round my house occasionally is minimal. The other has no-one else to pair up with, doesn't work and rarely leaves the house, so if I didn't include her she wouldn't see anyone else in person for potentially months. We only see each other once every few weeks anyway.

Otherwise I think I've followed all the rules, fully expect to spend Christmas on my own etc. It's relatively easy for me at the moment though because most of my local friends are people I know through work, so I see them daily anyway.

@Pootle40, we don’t live in a dictatorship, but we live in a society and in a community with others where your decision and my decision affects other people. This is not difficult for me to understand.

Makes you wonder why we need medical advisors and scientists. What do they know eh?

Less than a normal person does about their own individual circumstances. They can't make a rule that says "no mixing of households unless one of you has a terminal illness that means they probably won't live past the end of lockdown and/or never sets foot outside the house and/or sometimes has no choice but to get more help with childcare than the law currently allows", etc. To some extent people have to make their own decisions because it's just not possible to legislate for every potential scenario.

Following mostly but am ignoring the edict that the we can’t have family or a couple of school friends in the house (we’re in Scotland). We’re in a low risk area and my kids mental health is more important to me. We were strict during the initial lockdown but with no end in sight I’m not locking us away from our loved ones endlessly. Kids are in very close contact with these children every day at school so I cannot see any rationale for banning them from seeing them socially.

I am following the rules and I will be until Christmas. Then the government can stick it up their arse. I need something to look forward to for the sake of my (already shocking pre covid) mental health.

we don’t live in a dictatorship, but we live in a society and in a community with others where your decision and my decision affects other people. This is not difficult for me to understand.

Nor me

@Pollynextdoor

So many people assess their own risk. Makes you wonder why we need medical advisors and scientists. What do they know eh?

I’m sure the people currently on itu with covid assessed their own risks too...

Tier 2 but enhanced restrictions since August. I have a support bubble with a local friend and I think it would be disrespectful to her not to follow them.

@Bluesheep8

we don’t live in a dictatorship, but we live in a society and in a community with others where your decision and my decision affects other people. This is not difficult for me to understand.

Nor me

Agreed, but I think social responsibility has gone out of the window for many people.

I'm in a tier 1 area. I've followed the rules throughout. Not because I'm worried or because I necessarily agree with every detail of them, but because I believe that's what I should do and because tbh I don't find it very difficult or unpleasant to follow them.

I have seen family within the rules, and will abide by rules over Christmas,which will meanI can't see dsis and her family if current rule of 6 is still in place.

I'm working from home (because I can, I suppose that's not a 'rule') and obviously not going to places that are closed since I don't have a choice.

Where I live (not UK) the rule is wear a mask IF you can't stay 2 metres apart from each other. Plenty of people seem to be wearing them in shops as a blanket rule but I only do if it's a busy time. I'd rather go at a quiet time and skip the mask because they cause me some distress.

I'm still seeing family and friends whenever I want to, seeing them properly without masks or physical distancing. No large parties or anything. I won't stop this unless my country becomes a police state which I can't see happening. To be fair in my country they are more hot on tracing and quarantine than policing the general population. Though certainly we are encouraged to moderate our behaviour, there's no real expectation that people will completely cut themselves off from family and friends. I think it's totally unrealistic for the UK government to ask people to do this and suspect it's undermining cooperation with some of the more reasonable measures.

If I was quarantined I'd follow it to the letter.

I'm in tier 2 and have been under local lockdown restrictions for months. I've been WFH since March. My family live too far away for us to see eachother without an overnight stay.and I'm not supposed to go in the house anyway. Whatever I assess the risks to be, these are the facts unfortunately.
And I don't want to have to assess how it happened if my 75 year old mother got it.