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Are more people following the rules now?

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Watermelon999 · 18/10/2020 20:22

Just that really......

Anyone still not following the rules?

What are your reasons/ rationale.

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ultimatebadass · 19/10/2020 12:57

I am in tier 3. Have followed the rules all along, not left house since Feb. DH works and does the supermarket shop, that is it. I have not seen any of my family and do not intend to. I am vulnerable. We are not doing Christmas this year.

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Watermelon999 · 19/10/2020 13:09

@NaturalLight

So all those who are breaking rules and still seeing people inside, do you not worry that you might have Covid and will spread it?
That’s my worry too @NaturalLight, especially as a high number are asymptomatic, especially children.
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Bluesheep8 · 19/10/2020 13:12

So all those who are breaking rules and still seeing people inside, do you not worry that you might have Covid and will spread it?

From what I keep hearing and seeing, a lot of them don't worry. Or care.

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Watermelon999 · 19/10/2020 13:17

@Bluesheep8

we don’t live in a dictatorship, but we live in a society and in a community with others where your decision and my decision affects other people. This is not difficult for me to understand.

Nor me

I agree but fear we may be the minority which does not bode well for the coming few months or Christmas 😩
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ilovesooty · 19/10/2020 13:21

@Bluesheep8

So all those who are breaking rules and still seeing people inside, do you not worry that you might have Covid and will spread it?

From what I keep hearing and seeing, a lot of them don't worry. Or care.

I don't think they do either. It's depressing.
Requinblanc · 19/10/2020 13:27

No.

I am in London.

I do wear a mask in shops/public transport, I have worked from home since March and regularly wash my hands and use hand sanitiser. I also have not been on holiday abroad this year.

BUT I have lost all faith in politicians and it is blatantly obvious that lockdowns are not working.

So I will no longer observe any other rules beyond the basic ones I have listed above. Meaning, I am meeting with friends and will ignore a general lockdown.

I have friends who have lost their jobs, had their cancer treatment cancelled and one elderly relative who ended on a psychiatric ward for a month because of the isolation/lockdown.

Politicians are not even following their own rules and have no long term plan so I am no longer willing to have my life controlled to that extent.

CarelessSquid07A · 19/10/2020 13:33

Only rule break for us has been looking after a toddler for a friend.

It was an emergency and her childcare bubble couldn't help.

But apart from that sticking to it all and we're in a medium area.

Although we live close to Exeter which is full of student cases so I feel it makes sense to keep to strict rules.

Requinblanc · 19/10/2020 13:35

''So all those who are breaking rules and still seeing people inside, do you not worry that you might have Covid and will spread it?''

You can go to your office, a coffee shop or a train and seat in close-ish contact with several strangers yet you cannot do the same with your family/friends indoors?

Are you saying that somehow covid does not spread if I am in my office yet it does if I am sitting opposite a friend in their living room?

These rules are nonsensical.

You might be wearing masks but they are not 100% fullproof and it is impossible to sanitise every surface you might touch every 5 minutes...so you might spread the virus in a supermarket or wherever as much as you would in someone's living-room...

ajandjjmum · 19/10/2020 13:52

I saw this morning that 75% of infections are caught in the home - which did make me realise that there is 'science' behind the decisions that are being made, hard as they are to maintain.

I don't understand why this isn't give more publicity.

Fortyfifty · 19/10/2020 14:12

I'm in a tier 1 area.

I'm following rules but don't live near parents or elderly Inlaws, so those are more easily followed - although it is hard not travelling to see them. We had a couple round without their teen kids - as we usually would - so I'm following the rule of 6 for now - seeing how things pan out.

Dd had to self isolate, as there was a case in one of her 6th form classes. She complied as there were only several days left by the time she was informed, but I think the 14 day isolations for well children /kids is excessive.

I don't agree with lockdowns and the different tier restrictions but at the same time, I will be very annoyed with those ignoring the rules and not being cautious around their over-70s relatives if we get locked down nationally because hospital admissions increase. The things we are enjoying as a family is a return to outdoor sports clubs, school/college face to face and eating out. If locked down these things will stop being available to us. Whereas those ignoring their ban on household mixing, the very places where the risk is higher, can continue to shun the rules and keep doing what they want.... Confused

NaturalLight · 19/10/2020 14:29

Requiblanc I tend to get closer to friends / family though indoors than strangers in the office. I agree with a pp that transmission in the home is a huge thing that isn’t being discussed.

Bluesheep8 · 19/10/2020 15:37

I tend to get closer to friends / family though indoors than strangers in the office. I agree with a pp that transmission in the home is a huge thing that isn’t being discussed.

This is why we're being told not to go into Each others houses if in tier 2 and 3. It IS being discussed, we ARE being advised - many people are just choosing not to listen!

Bluesheep8 · 19/10/2020 15:37

We might not like it but we ARE being told.

ajandjjmum · 19/10/2020 15:41

I don't think we're being told strongly enough. I happened to see that 75% of transmissions are within the home, and that really struck a cord with me.

We have been following the rules, but that tells me very clearly why the rules are in place.

It should be headlines imo, because I think it would make some people of the 'no-one's going to stop me seeing my grandparents' persuasion, see exactly why they shouldn't.

motheroftwoboys · 19/10/2020 15:48

in tier 2 in a high risk area. I work in a school. The DH works for the NHS in mental health but working from home since Feb as has heart failure. We are - pretty much - following the rules. We see one son who lives on his own a few miles away. We saw the other son and his girlfriend who came to stay for a couple of weeks recently but had negative tests first. I very much miss meeting friends occasionally for lunch but not doing that now. We cancelled our holiday abroad and had a few days away in Scotland instead and have been out for 2 or 3 meal as a couple - all in covid aware restaurants. Not hopeful for our proposed New Year hotel break.

Bluesheep8 · 19/10/2020 15:58

The message about household transmissions has been consistently delivered though - I've heard and understood and adhered to it. As I said, many people are choosing not to do that because it doesn't fit with their own selfish agendas.

NRatched · 19/10/2020 16:00

Near everyone I know is following the rules, apart from the 'no mixing of households at all' part. Instead, they seem to be sticking to rule of 6, though thats technically breaking rules at the min. So yeah, sticking to the rules but breaking them also..always been the harsh 'noone at all' part thats been an issue. Even those who previously were cheering for lockdown seem to be breaking that one!

GuyFawkesHadTheRightIdea · 19/10/2020 16:12

But if 75% of transmission is allegedly happening within the home then you can assume those people will isolate. Ergo it doesn't spread further than their home, and only affects a small amount of people. People aren't testing positive and then thinking ooh I know I'll pop to see my granny!!

And yes it can be asymptomatic but at that rate none of us should be going anywhere, at all, ever, then!! Work, school or otherwise, for that very reason.

This is why the rules are a nonsense, and why many of us are now saying we'll continue to see our support unit and support those family members who need us.

Bluesheep8 · 19/10/2020 16:21

This is why the rules are a nonsense, and why many of us are now saying we'll continue to see our support unit and support those family members who need us.

And this is why it's spreading. Because many people are only sticking to the rules that don't involve a personal sacrifice.

Bluesheep8 · 19/10/2020 16:23

It's easy to wear a mask
It's easy to socially distance in shops
It's not easy to not go into the homes of your family. I know because I don't do it!

GuyFawkesHadTheRightIdea · 19/10/2020 17:35

@Bluesheep8 with all due respect you don't know me or my situation and therefore have no right to comment on whether I have made personal sacrifices during all this.

rookiemere · 19/10/2020 17:48

I am in Central Belt Scotland and am adhering to many of the rules, but not all.

So I have seen a friend in my conservatory- socially distanced with the door open - rather than us both freezing outside.

We are just back from a short break that we booked last minute after it was strongly suggested we didn't. Main purpose was to meet family members outdoors in a group of six that we hadn't seen for a number of months.

I'm sure DS 14 is playing in a group of more than 6, but as he's in school with the same people every day, I'm not stopping him.

When I run with my friend, I sincerely doubt we're appropriately socially distanced enough.

I'm an inveterate rule breaker. I'd love to follow every single rule diligently, but I also need to preserve my own sanity and allow my DS to try and make up for months of no face to face interaction or property physical exercise (other than walking dog when forced)

But the worst I haven't done yet, but will . Nephew and Niece need to visit their granny who will be stopping chemo treatment soon. They can't do the trip from theirs to hers in a day and whilst they are young adults, they are very immature for a number of reasons and one has learning difficulties. They will need the emotional support from us and a bed to sleep in once they have been. They have to have negative covid tests before they are allowed to visit her anyway. If we get reported for putting them up in those circumstances, fine I'll pay the fine. But I still feel it's the only right thing to do.

Bluesheep8 · 19/10/2020 17:57

@Bluesheep8with all due respect you don't know me or my situation and therefore have no right to comment on whether I have made personal sacrifices during all this.

Fair comment, I was talking generally and I shouldn't have quoted your post to illustrate a wider point. Please accept my apologies.

GuyFawkesHadTheRightIdea · 19/10/2020 18:06

@Bluesheep8 thanks I appreciate that.

psychomath · 19/10/2020 18:52

I saw this morning that 75% of infections are caught in the home - which did make me realise that there is 'science' behind the decisions that are being made, hard as they are to maintain.

Not doubting the figure itself, but I'd assume that's mostly down to people catching it from others in their own household rather than visiting friends/family. I.e. one person catches it from public transport/work/the supermarket and then passes it on to their three family members, meaning 75% of those four infections were caught 'in the home'.

Obviously though the more risks you take the more likely you are to catch it in the first place, and therefore to pass it on to other people in your household, if there are any. But by itself it doesn't prove that visiting people in their homes is more of a risk than other activities.