Couples in established relationships have to socially distance

[avenueq]

in tier two and three, unless they can form a support bubble.
So that means no relationships between students. Or between say a woman with two adult kids living at home and a man who lives with his mother, or in a shared flat.
Is that reasonable? I don't think it is.

@avenueq

I see you have no answer for eg student couples

Didn't think so!

SoloMummy

You may not care about these young people but fortunately many people do. DD has been through enough this year. I am not banning her from seeing her boyfriend.

I am not a natural rule breaker. I have been careful throughout. Still got covid though. DD will be allowed to see her boyfriend.

There is no way on earth I would comply with this disgusting rule.

@Aragog

SoloMummy

You may not care about these young people but fortunately many people do. DD has been through enough this year. I am not banning her from seeing her boyfriend.

I am not a natural rule breaker. I have been careful throughout. Still got covid though. DD will be allowed to see her boyfriend.

These young people have many years ahead. They've suffered less than the dead and their grieving families. They've managed to spread the virus pretty much single-handed by the stats since we came out of lockdown with their irresponsible behaviour.

Go ahead and justify facilitating your child in breaking the law. I now genuinely hope that we do end up with reporting neighbours, and wardens and fines to stop this selfish behaviour.

There's tons of people on here who don't live with their partners. It doesn't make their relationship mean less and it doesn't necessarily mean youngsters either. My 90 year-old grandfather has a partner of 20 years who he's never moved in with. There's even some married couples who don't live together full time. It's not as simple as it being about your committment, bitterandtwistedmummy. My partner couldn't move in with me during lockdown because he needed to keep his business running to feed himself ffs. He couldn't move in with me because it involved finding new premises in a different part of the country, which was kind of difficult during lockdown when everything was closed.

I guess the fact that lack of human contact caused some people to commit suicide during lockdown didn't matter to you? Not Covid, so doesn't matter. Fuck the nation's mental health, eh.

Having looked at the regulations linked above I think they will struggle to enforce this. It specifically mentions that you don‘t have to socially distance from someone you are in an established relationship with. It also says that some areas have extra restrictions and there is a link to check but that section only talks about friends and family and doesn‘t mention partners/people in established relationships at all. This is tier 2 www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high

Seriously solomummy - I actually think you must be trolling tbh as can't imagine anyone is so callous as to think it's acceptable to expect people in established relationships to remain apart for an indefinite length of time! You've even gone for the blaming the students for it all and neighbourhood reporting angle now - it's just like Covid bingo!

Dd has been through so much this year. As a family we have lost three close family members during this pandemic time, 4 in the past year. Although none through Covid their deaths are just as important, even more so to us. That's before we think about everything else that's gone on.

I'm clinically vulnerable. Although not shielding I restricted what we did so much to stay safe. Turns out it didn't matter - a few short weeks back at school and I have it anyway.

There's only so much we can ask people to do I'm afraid.

It's bad enough not seeing family. Not seeing a significant other isn't one of them, not when older and not for the younger ones either.

Oh and when Dd returns to university in a fortnight - she's SI because I have Covid; she'd only come home for the weekend to see a family friend in their birthday - we won't be stopping her returning either. So another rule broken as we aren't in tier 1 either now. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Still not banning my Dd from my house just to make you feel better.

[quote SarahMused]Having looked at the regulations linked above I think they will struggle to enforce this. It specifically mentions that you don‘t have to socially distance from someone you are in an established relationship with. It also says that some areas have extra restrictions and there is a link to check but that section only talks about friends and family and doesn‘t mention partners/people in established relationships at all. This is tier 2 www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high[/quote]
That's interesting. Although the tier 2 information doesn't says specifically mention people in established relationships, it does say that when people meet family and friends they should abide by social distancing rules and has a link to the SD rules. Those SD rules were last updated 7th October and they still mention not having to SD from someone you are in an established relationship with. I would interpret that as the exemption still applies.

I think you're being a bit dramatic op. They can meet in public places. Which is still quite good and I think a fair compromise over the winter.

[quote Flowersinthewindowstill]@Aragon I note that SoloMummy has had several posts deleted from MN for violating guidelines/callous attitude. Must be either a troll or psychopath.[/quote]
No simply because some people don't like the truth when it's stated!
A troll? No.
Psycholopath? Not I, though plenty on here that are matching the egotistical trait of the definition.

I suppose its easier to deflect though when trying to justify such Socially unacceptable and abhorrent behaviour that will no doubt contribute to deaths.

Well the idea is that stricter rules are needed in the higher tiers until cases drop down again and mixing is permitted in tier 1. The support bubble concept was brought in to help those most in need. There seems to be a lot of people justifying not be willing to break the household to household infection cycle . And that been the problem.

@avenueq

Downing Street says couples in coronavirus hotspots can't meet indoors [[https://mol.im/a/8848073]] Apologies for Daily Mail link

Hmm encouraging couples 'meeting' outdoors is..surely not something that would be good 'for the community' IMO

I now genuinely hope that we do end up with reporting neighbours

Just like they did in WWII with the Jews.

You give me the creeps with your sanctimonious talk.

A bit more seriously, surely anyone could claim to have an 'established relationship' in reality, as wheres the benchmark and who decides? I had relationships when younger when we were 'engaged' after a few days! Stupid rule. I don't understand anyone supporting this, even the most pro of 'measures cheerers'

Socially unacceptable and abhorrent behaviour that will no doubt contribute to deaths.

Shut it ya fud

What a load of crap and nobody I know would follow this madness

So it's state-mandated sex now.

What a crock of shit. I hope everyone ignores this.

Its almost like they are trying to find 'rules' that people will not obey?

First no familiy/friends mixing at all, even in tiny numbers. Now even those in relationships must distance and meet outside.

solo my partner of 4 years and I are mid 40s. We live in the same Tier 2 town in separate houses because we have kids from previous relationships that do not need or want step parents or any more change after having one parent each very openly choose a relationship over them. He works alone. His son is at uni. What possible real difference would it make if he came to my house? If he caught it from me and then went home to his empty house, only he would have it (no extra risk factors so fairly unlikely to need medical care). I can't catch it from him because he never sees anyone, shopping is delivered. Exactly what is the number of extra deaths we'll be causing please? We're not 'loves young dream' or romantic halfwits.. That's why we haven't moved in together.. We're mature intelligent adults who make critical judgements about what is best for our scenario. If you really think that blindly following this shit show of cobbled together rules is going to work, then you crack on. But I won't be and my conscience is entirely fine.

You can still have sex just not in a private dwelling. I don't see the massive issue to be honest.

Where do you suggest intercourse occurs?

Umm.. Because we can't all afford to book into a hotel every few weeks? And because its not just about having sex. I want to sit and cuddle while we watch a box set or film, not talking and maintaining a full on conversation like you do on zoom. We rarely video chat because post 9pm when the kids are in bed I'm not really up for a long chat, but if he could come round and just be here that would be amazing.

HugeAckmansWife thats it really. DH works away a lot, or did anyway before the pandemic. We obviously skype etc but its not the same as just hanging out in each others company. Not having a full on conversation, just being together, that intimacy and companionship.
I wouldn't expect anyone to have to forgo that.
It's about so much more than shagging.

I now genuinely hope that we do end up with reporting neighbours, and wardens and fines to stop this selfish behaviour.

I doubt it, considering most people in real life are a lot more normal and empathetic than you appear to be