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Good News Thread - part 2

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KitKatastrophe · 15/10/2020 20:47

Thank you to those who have contributed to the good news thread over the past few weeks. We are at 40 pages so here is a new one to continue sharing good news stories :)

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alreadytaken · 20/10/2020 19:33

I'm not sure if this really qualifies as good news - but I do like to spread anything that may help people avoid becoming infected. Maybe if you've gone somewhere risky use an alcohol based mouthwash news.psu.edu/story/635101/2020/10/19/research/mouthwashes-oral-rinses-may-inactivate-human-coronaviruses

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 20/10/2020 19:44

@alreadytaken

Anecdotal: DD's dentist and orthodontist, my dentist and our hygienist and the oral surgeon I had to see - all different surgeries - reopened in June and they made us rinse our mouths with a new and even worse tasting rinse than before and otherwise carried on as normal. So perhaps they know sth.

FuzzyPuffling · 20/10/2020 21:46

Lurker here, delurking to say thank goodness for this thread ( and the previous one). I love a bit of positive science.

whenwillthemadnessend · 20/10/2020 22:22

Thanks

dollychopss · 20/10/2020 22:23

Yey I love this thread :-)

tobee · 21/10/2020 00:15

[quote Prokupatuscrakedatus]@alreadytaken

Anecdotal: DD's dentist and orthodontist, my dentist and our hygienist and the oral surgeon I had to see - all different surgeries - reopened in June and they made us rinse our mouths with a new and even worse tasting rinse than before and otherwise carried on as normal. So perhaps they know sth.[/quote]

I had to swirl some special mouthwash when I went to the emergency dentist just after first lockdown when my crown fell off!

tobee · 21/10/2020 00:17

[quote alreadytaken]I'm not sure if this really qualifies as good news - but I do like to spread anything that may help people avoid becoming infected. Maybe if you've gone somewhere risky use an alcohol based mouthwash news.psu.edu/story/635101/2020/10/19/research/mouthwashes-oral-rinses-may-inactivate-human-coronaviruses[/quote]

I was also coming on to say that I read something about a dentist advising people to clean their teeth more, presumably for similar reasons? I've lost the link though.

Funkypolar · 21/10/2020 08:58

www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/

The next 10 years are going to be amazing.

chri55ie · 21/10/2020 08:59

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-usa-ex/exclusive-astrazeneca-u-s-covid-19-vaccine-trial-may-resume-as-soon-as-this-week-sources-idUSKBN2752C5

Looks like good chance trials in US for AstraZeneca vaccine to restart this week.

newtothenet · 21/10/2020 19:50

Perhaps not quite 'good news' but this is a more balanced report of the current situation which is not all doom and gloom and provides some reassurance. (Copied and pasted because it's from the Telegraph.)

'No sign of second wave' as ONS data shows normal level of deaths for time of year
People who would normally be expected to die of flu or pneumonia may instead be dying from Covid-19

By Sarah Knapton,
SCIENCE EDITOR
20 October 2020 • 2:18pm

There is no sign of a second coronavirus wave, experts have said as new Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures showed that deaths are just 1.5 per cent above the five-year average and tracking on a normal trajectory for the time of year.

Although Covid deaths rose to 438 for the week ending October 9 – an increase of 36 per cent from the previous week, when the figure stood at 321 – overall deaths rose just 143 above the five-year average. There were also 19 fewer overall deaths than in the same week last year.

Experts at Oxford University said the number would have to get to 1,200 deaths above the norm before it would usually be considered "excess" above the expected variation in the data.

Researchers also found there would usually be around 1,600 weekly deaths from flu and pneumonia for the same week. Deaths from coronavirus, flu and pneumonia are currently running at 1,621, suggesting there is virtually no increase in expected respiratory deaths.

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The ONS figures also do not factor in the UK's growing and ageing population, which would be expected to increase the number of deaths over time and which are likely to cancel out at least some of the increase.

For example, between 2010 and 2019 the number of deaths for the week ending October 9 rose from 9,281 to 9,973 – about 70 extra deaths a year.

Professor Carl Heneghan, the director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM) at Oxford University, said: "There is no sign of a second wave up to October 9. In week 41, the number of deaths registered was 1.5 per cent above the five-year average.

"We consider the current data normal variation, and only consider it an excess when it gets to two standard deviations, which is about 1,200 excess deaths compared to the five-year average."

Dr Jason Oke, also of the CEBM, has looked at total deaths since 2010 and said that although deaths were tracking at the top of what would usually be expected, they remained within normal bounds. The figures suggest that people who would normally be expected to die of flu or pneumonia are instead dying from coronavirus.

"Total deaths are tracking at the top but not over," said Dr Oke. "Is it because we have nearly an identical deficit of flu and pneumonia deaths for this time of year?

"Covid-19 plus influenza/pneumonia deaths are at 1,621 this week, while five-year average flu and pneumonia for this week is 1,600."

The ONS figures show that, since the week ending September 4, registered coronavirus deaths in England and Wales have been roughly doubling every fortnight.

However, the country is now entering the winter flu season, and an increase in respiratory deaths is expected. Public Health England (PHE) surveillance of respiratory diseases shows there is virtually no flu in the community at the moment.

For the week ending October 31, out of the 76,398 respiratory specimens reported through the Respiratory DataMart System, none tested positive for influenza. In contrast, 3,068 samples were positive for coronavirus, with an overall positivity of four per cent.

Tuesday's figures show that just over 59,000 deaths involving coronavirus have now been registered in the UK, although the figure of deaths "due" to coronavirus is significantly lower.

Some 53,863 deaths involving coronavirus have occurred in England and Wales up to October 9, and were registered by October 17.

So far this year, 34,174 deaths involving coronavirus have occurred in hospitals, 15,712 in care homes, 2,561 in private homes, 761 in hospices, 227 in other communal establishments and 205 elsewhere.

Figures published last week by the National Records of Scotland showed that 4,301 deaths involving coronavirus had been registered in Scotland up to October 11. In Northern Ireland, 915 deaths had occurred up to October 9 and had been registered up to October 14, according to the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency.

TiersTiersTiers · 21/10/2020 20:10

I am hopeful that a suitable vaccine may be developed in the next few months

TiersTiersTiers · 21/10/2020 20:11

@newtothenet

Thanks for that - lots of information and good to see overall deaths indicate not a second wave

goodnightsugarpop · 21/10/2020 21:38

Placemarking! This thread is a lifeline some days

newtothenet · 22/10/2020 08:35

Another one from the Telegraph this morning...

How data from intensive care units shows second wave won't be as deadly as the first
Chance of surviving Covid-19 for at least 28 days has risen from 61 per cent to 72 per cent between the two virus waves

By
Sarah Knapton,
SCIENCE EDITOR
21 October 2020 • 8:47pm

With coronavirus cases rising and hospitals filling up, it might be tempting to worry that Britain is heading for a second wave as deadly as the first – but new data from intensive care units is telling an altogether different story.

According to the most recent Intensive Care National Audit and Research Center report (Icnarc), the chance of surviving Covid for at least 28 days has risen from 61 per cent to 72 per cent between the two waves.

The fall is seen across all ages, although the news is even better for the under-70s. For those aged between 50 and 69, the risk of death in intensive care has almost halved, dropping from around 38 per cent to just over 20 per cent.

For the under-50s, the mortality risk has fallen from around 18 per cent to below 10 per cent.

Experts believe treatment improvements are starting to have a major impact – particularly the steroid dexamethasone, which prevents the devastating immune system overload that can trigger organ failure.

The drug – commonly used to treat arthritis, severe allergies and asthma – was rolled out across the NHS in June following successful trials by Oxford University, and was expected to have a major impact on the virus pandemic.

"I reckon about half of the improvement in the deaths was probably down to dexamethasone," said Paul Hunter, professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia.

"It's really interesting. The thing that got me is that although there is not much difference in the people going in, what really jumped out is the decline in the probability of deaths. For anyone under 70, deaths have nearly halved.

"If you're under 70 and go into intensive care now, you've got a good chance of surviving."

The team at Icnarc has compared 10,900 patients admitted up to August 31 with 1,233 who entered intensive care on September 1 or later.

In the second wave so far, of the 643 people whose outcomes are known, 14.1 per cent have died and 38 per cent discharged, with 47.9 per cent still receiving care.

Icnarc has warned that the figures are slightly skewed towards those who recover or die early. But at a similar point in the first wave in April, where the outcomes of 690 people were known, 15 per cent had died and just 15 per cent had been discharged, with 70 per cent still needing critical care.

The report also shows that far fewer people are needing intensive breathing or organ support compared to the first wave. While 58 per cent of those up to September 1 needed mechanical ventilation within the first 24 hours of admission, that number is now just 26 per cent – less than half.

Just 28 per cent now need advanced respiratory support, compared to 78 per cent in the first wave, and only 13 per cent require advanced cardiovascular support – fewer than half of those earlier in the year. Almost four times fewer people need kidney support, and three times fewer require neurological help.

Experts say it is possible that doctors have set a lower clinical threshold for admission to intensive care because the system is not as overloaded as during the first wave.

Yet the improvements have come even though patients are entering intensive care with roughly the same "Apache" score as the first wave – an indicator of the probability of dying based on age, oxygen levels, blood pressure, heart rate and blood cell counts.

So although patients are just as sick, they are far less likely to die.

The hopeful findings are not just positive news for lives saved but could also impact lockdown decisions. The average time spent in intensive care is now just five days, compared with 12 in the first wave, which should free up beds (the graphic below shows the locations of critically ill patients since September).

"There are significant differences in ICU admissions, outcomes and survival in those admitted since September 1 compared with the outbreak in spring," said Professor Carl Heneghan of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University.

"For every 100 people admitted to intensive care units after September 1, 12 more will survive to 28 days compared with before this date. In those admitted, their need for mechanically ventilatory support, their length of stay and need for renal support are all significantly lower. These improved outcomes are highly reassuring and leading to lower overall mortality of Covid-19.

"There is an urgent need to place the hospital data into context of what normally happens at this time of year. The lack of transparent data and the tendency to over predict and exaggerate the problems is not helping decision-makers and affecting policy."

Experts say it is crucial to match the admissions data to the discharge data to get a true picture of the pandemic.

Once we do, we will realise we are doing better than we think.

There is still a long way to go but, rather than wringing our hands, we should be celebrating the ingenuity of our scientists and doctors and realise just how far we have come.

Orangeblossom7777 · 22/10/2020 09:31

On the mouthwash, I have also noticed some stuff about salt water rinses and coronaviruses...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-53170734

Orangeblossom7777 · 22/10/2020 09:35

Great to read about the dexamethasone, and also the much lower numbers requiring ventilation and overall improvement in mortality rates. Will take pressure off ICUs too if many less needing them.

alreadytaken · 22/10/2020 09:44

sorry to be a downer on a positive thread - but Oxford have form for being overly optimistic. The levels of pneumonia have been down this year anyway, the death rate this year was below the 5 year average. It might have caught up later in the year but this is a second wave. It is less often fatal though thanks to improved treatment and possibly to better vitamin D levels.

And to get back to positivity - suggestions that other vaccines may boost the immune system and provide some protection against covid. I've had my flu jab, anyone eligible should get one.

Personally I'm also using prebiotics after reports that covid in the gut may account for severity and long covid. Better gut bacteria may also help weight loss so worth trying for that reason too.

Orangeblossom7777 · 22/10/2020 11:51

That reminds me I made a post on here about nutrition and supporting the immune system. I'll find it. Think it was when there was a fuss about losing weight..and it mentioned good nutrition. Anyway might be useful

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3978323-Nutrition-and-covid

Also, positive thread about recovery stories in the very old..

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3907855-Oldest-person-recovers-and-other-positive-recovery-stories

(and that was from before this second wave and the new better treatments)

Orangeblossom7777 · 22/10/2020 11:56

Positive news about the better recoveries in the Times as well today..

Doctors report big drop in hospital coronavirus deaths

"Coronavirus patients are much less likely to die now than in the early stages of the outbreak, according to a new study.

Research at New York University showed a big drop in mortality among cases in hospital, seen in all demographics including older people and people with underlying health problems.

The study appeared to indicate that after several months doctors are now much better at averting deaths in people they are treating for the disease. “We find that the death rate has gone down substantially,” said Leora Horwitz, one of the study’s authors."

Monitoring more than 5,000 patients at a group of hospitals in New York from March to August, they found that mortality among patients in hospital fell by 18 percentage points over the period. At the start, people had a 26 per cent chance of dying; by the end it was 8 per cent.

Dr Horwitz stressed that the mortality rate remained higher than many infectious diseases, including flu, and warned of the potentially “very harmful” consequences of so-called long Covid. “I do think this is good news,” she said, “but it does not make the coronavirus a benign illness.”

The study adjusted its findings for different factors such as age and other health conditions to account for the fact that people in hospital with the virus now tend to be younger and healthier than in the early stages of the outbreak.

Bilal Mateen, a data scientist at the Alan Turing Institute, said his own research into 21,000 hospital patients in England found a similarly pronounced fall in the death rate of about 20 percentage points, also across all demographics.

“Clearly there’s been something that’s gone on that’s improved the risk of individuals who go into these settings with Covid-19,” he said.

Doctors believe they are now better at rapidly realising when a coronavirus patient is at risk of suffering blood clots or entering a cytokine storm, where the immune system effectively turns on itself. Widespread mask-wearing may be diminishing the initial dose of the virus that an infected patient receives.

Hospitals are generally less overstretched now, especially in New York, which was for a time the major centre of the American outbreak, and was hit far worse than any other state. On April 10, at its peak, the seven-day average of daily coronavirus infections in the state was 9,877. By the start of August it had fallen to 652.

Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said that there had clearly been a drop in mortality, but he suspected it was probably less marked.

The age of those entering hospital was now significantly lower, and he said that the way in which the authors of the latest research accounted for this might underestimate its effects.

“The adjusted figure may overestimate the decline in mortality. We do know that the risk of death increases more rapidly as we get older,” Professor Hunter added.

“So I think given the dramatic change in age on admission, the apparent reduction in mortality in later weeks is greater in their paper then reality because of not adequately accounting for the non-linear impact of age on death risk.”

He pointed to UK figures on intensive care admissions, showing that for those under 70 the risk of death has dropped by about 50 per cent, but by far less in those over 70."

Jrobhatch29 · 22/10/2020 12:11

Those articles are really reassuring about better outcomes

Orangeblossom7777 · 22/10/2020 13:22

I wonder if in future, as they do with chest infections and antibiotics which can be taken at home, they might be able to prescribe that cheap steroid to people at home (if they think their course may be rocky, for example those with diabetes or overweight) - to possibly prevent admission.

I mean Trump had similar in early stages and seemed to help (hmm)

tobee · 22/10/2020 18:06

@alreadytaken

sorry to be a downer on a positive thread - but Oxford have form for being overly optimistic. The levels of pneumonia have been down this year anyway, the death rate this year was below the 5 year average. It might have caught up later in the year but this is a second wave. It is less often fatal though thanks to improved treatment and possibly to better vitamin D levels.

And to get back to positivity - suggestions that other vaccines may boost the immune system and provide some protection against covid. I've had my flu jab, anyone eligible should get one.

Personally I'm also using prebiotics after reports that covid in the gut may account for severity and long covid. Better gut bacteria may also help weight loss so worth trying for that reason too.

Can you give examples for Oxford being overly optimistic please @alreadytaken ?
Sebw · 22/10/2020 19:50

New positive article about oxford vaccine
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-behaves-as-desired-analysis-finds-12111085

dollychopss · 22/10/2020 19:52

Did anyone see Vallance today ? He seems optimistic

BlueBlancmange · 22/10/2020 20:12

@dollychopss

Did anyone see Vallance today ? He seems optimistic
No. What did he say?