I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

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Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

But I don't know anyone who is breaking the rules majorly, like having big groups of people to visit.

Yeah I don't know anyone doing that either.

The only rule thats being consistently broken is 'no household mixing at all'. And when it was rule of 6, people were mostly complying, with the odd 7 people instead of 6 here and there. Its the no mixing at all that people are refusing. And I can't blame them really.

Have known noone through the whole thing that massively took the piss. But many would lump those with 7 instead of 6, or meeting parents one on one, in with people having huge parties it seems!

Breaks the rules. Moans the government not doing it right. Takes no responsibility for their own actions.

NRatched Yes, there are degrees of rule breaking. Some high risk, some low risk.

You'd think people would be furious about nhs bursaries having been removed too. Not charging people 9k fees per year for 3 years to train as a nurse is a damn good start.

It was entirely foreseeable that that would reduce the number of people training, lead to shortages and an over dependence on recruiting from overseas.

Why aren't people furious that the health and social care system and education have been decimated in the last decade and therefore cannot cope when (not if) a crisis occurs?

Do people really think the problem here is that people carefully visit a friend or family member and that we need laws to be made criminalising those who do?

Btw I'm not visiting my parents because I am a teacher and therefore at hugely increased exposure to the disease. If I was working from home and didn't have a child in school I would be visiting them.

They are hugely missing their grandson and maybe even me at this rate as knowing them they are driving each other up the wall. My father says he wouldn't stop me visiting and that we are welcome and it isn't currently against guidelines. I don't feel comfortable taking myself and my son into their home, or they into ours, given I'm working in a crowded environment with people from thousands of different households across the whole country though.

So in my case, at this point, I'm making my own risk assessment and that happens to be more cautious than the restrictions with regards to visiting family. I do see my friend (and get in a car with her) to go to the gym though and in summer when neither of us were going anywhere really we visited each other then despite it being against the rules as we deemed it safe and essential for sanity. Later they said you could form support bubbles if you were a single adult household (which I am) which is what we'd done all along.

When Cummings broke the rules they made it abundantly clear that it was actually ok for people to use their judgement in different circumstances and the rage was that people hadn't understood or realised that and had therefore put themselves through really difficult circumstances to keep the rules when actually 'discretion' was always allegedly allowed.

Agree with you TheHoneyBadger

Seems obvious to me cases are rising due to kids being back at school

I think people mainly stoped complying after all the riots in London and various other places in the U.K. and the police did nothing

Personally I stoped complying when people in here knocked some sense into me
Which I’m grateful for

@Pumpertrumper

It’s difficult to rally behind complying when the gov have so spectacularly messed up.

Sending students back to uni has rocketed our ‘low cases’ city into tier 2 semi lockdown and they 100% knew this would happen. There was no point in bringing 75% of them back as within weeks of them paying their landlords and moving into accom, the courses were moved online.

So now our reasonably low risk area is full of absolutely livid teenagers living away from home for the first time, aware that the Tory gov has screwed them over to help out landlords, being told they should lock themselves in their hovels for ‘the greater good’.

I’m not surprised they are breaking the rules in mass. Had the gov kept them with their families and saved them thousands on rent our city really would not have the problems it does now!

Agree with this

@Lowkee

What's stopping them opening up all those Nightingale hospitals? They were ready in May, they should be still ready? No. Let's effectively shut businesses instead and send the nation into a blind panic.

I don't think they ever had the staff of equipment they needed, they were just for show. Also agree that it's obvious cases would rise with schools open. The stupid half measures being taken now such as shutting the pubs an hour early or not having more than a family bubble at a restaurant aren't going to make a lot of difference.

@Lowkee. Recruit nurses from overseas ?

You do know This is a worldwide pandemic don’t you ?

But people were begging the government to make sure schools were open because children’s lives were being ruined .

And I am not convinced that is the problem. Just look at the pattern with other countries, and they dint have the same term dates .

Also most schools seem to be very good at containing outbreaks.

So universities , yes a problem. And also people not adhering to the restrictions. Possibly. But we are not the only country in this position.

but now it’s been around a while, it’s not as deadly as initially thought

For some it is, despite their beliefs:

www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/influencer-33-who-thought-covid-didnt-exist-dies-after-catching-the-virus/news-story/56dc92f704419cf0bcd2bf8f9ef4392d

@gypsywater

In order to recruit more nurses (which I agree is badly needed), the role will have to become more attractive. Nursing is not a profession young people seem keen to get into now. The current COVID crisis is going to put even more people off.

I would actively tell my dd not to go into nursing actually. Shit pay shit hours high risk, even when not in a pandemic and its a factor you wont ever remove as people who sick, in pain, stressed are unpredictable

Nursing courses are competitive still, but many drop out and others leave the profession quite quickly. In honesty it is shit pay considering the demands of the job, especially for a graduate. The positive is that it's likely there will always be jobs, but for many that is about it. Access to nursing degrees need to be widened, in that many people with considerable caring experience who understand the reality of nursing often cannot afford to take a year to do an access course and then study for 3 years whilst paying their mortgage etc. Bring back the diplomas, try and work on retaining staff and pay more than others in government get for non professional office jobs.

The current COVID crisis is going to put even more people off.

Probably not during a recession, applications for this September were up. How many will stay though is another matter.

But people were begging the government to make sure schools were open because children’s lives were being ruined

At the time we were told we were going to get a “world beating” track and trace system.

Why are people so slow to recognise that our government has fucked this up?

people were begging the government to make sure schools were open because children’s lives were being ruined

Many just wanted to not have to educate their children or wanted the free childcare back.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

people were begging the government to make sure schools were open because children’s lives were being ruined

Many just wanted to not have to educate their children or wanted the free childcare back.

That's unfair. My cousin has 2 children (7 & 9) and is working from home full time. She was trying to educate the two of them doing work set from school while also doing her own full time job. The strain on her was enormous and she was literally on her last legs with stress and tiredness.
People go stir crazy having the children off school for usual holidays. Children are by their nature tough going! Not everyone is an earth mum who floats gayly about in her floral dress, picking blackberries, while explaining Pythagoras' theorem. Most mothers I know (myself included, but mine are older now) are just waiting for the little darlings to go the hell asleep for the day!
I've found parenting to be the single most stressful job that I've ever had. Yes it's rewarding in hindsight, but at the time the exhaustion outweighs the rewards.
Children need to be educated and they need to be socialised. We're not all Mr. Gradgrind from Dickens' Hard Times.
People should not be criticised for wanting a break in the form of school from their children.

Also, it's sad to see children isolated from their peers. The older they get the more important their friends become to them too.

Lowkee
Friends and school is of course important. People such as pp can homeschool if it’s not wanted.

FFS - children deserve a proper education - not Twinkl worksheets while parents are expected to WFH at the same time.

Many just wanted to not have to educate their children or wanted the free childcare back.

ODFOD.

@Lardlizard

I think people mainly stoped complying after all the riots in London and various other places in the U.K. and the police did nothing

Personally I stoped complying when people in here knocked some sense into me
Which I’m grateful for

What riots in London? Have their been riots? We lived in London before and moved, but I haven’t heard about any riots at all and read the news regularly. I do remember the 2011 riots though and one when I was a young child in 1995, but nothing recent? I think there was a protest which got a bit pushy, but tbh those types of protests tend to get out of hand. We used to see it loads with the Britain First/EDL idiots, chucking bottles and so on and there were similar idiots at this anti-mask protest.

The worse thing about Covid is how much it has shown how divided country really is and with all mixed Attitudes we will very lucky to get this virus under control. With Me, me, me brigade, you really do realise how limited we really are on people putting other before themselves. Anyone that wins an award for bravery really, really are unique. Until people loose someone or are personally affected themselves, parents, child, siblings, grandparents then it really will continue to be about them. Stamping there selfish little feet, this isn't fair, I not listening! We all live on same hamster wheel of life, were all in the system. Why can't we all just work together. People won't comply with track and trace, people refusing download or giving false details. Your details are everyone anyway. Really if your on social media, more is known about us than we realise.