I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

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Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

Have we reached this point now?

According to historians, pandemics typically have two types of endings: the medical, which occurs when the incidence and death rates plummet, and the social, when the epidemic of fear about the disease wanes

www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/health/coronavirus-plague-pandemic-history.html

Agree OP. We won't be complying either. I shall be taking my kids to see their grandparents next week. We are all happy to accept the risk.

We have been completely socially distanced since the beginning of March. My 13 yr. old has been receiving education via remote learning only. We live in the Midwest area of the United States.

My plan is absolutely to stick to what we have been doing until an effective vaccine is ready. 30% of the US population has at least one underlying medical condition. My husband has two. We are simply not willing to take any risks.

I realize that decisions like these are usually very emotionally charged. Many people simply cannot afford to stay at home. It is all understandable.

I'd just like to throw a bit of positivity on the whole situation. As a family, we have grown much closer since the original lockdown. We SLOWED down in a major way. All of us have had so much time to think about what is actually important in life in the past several months, that somehow we managed to block out much of the unnecessary we used to be surrounded by. I think we grew more patient and understanding of each other, and others.

My son is now completely used to remote learning and enjoys getting up at 9 instead of 6 in the morning. Both hubby and I have picked up new hobbies. All of us go outside and exercise every day.

The whole thing is doable. Humans are extremely adaptable. There was a lot of resentment and anxiety in the beginning; the transition wasn't easy. Now, we just see our situation as the new reality that's going to have to stay until herd immunity via a vaccine is achieved.

@Carrotgirl87

*@Flaxmeadow* you have spoken complete sense in all the threads, spelt it out very clearly for the masses.

Unfortunately, you can't argue with stupid, and it is so clear that many of our fellow countrymen have the IQ of a fucking sponge.

I think that Flaxmeadow has been talking complete tripe on all of these threads.

But I do agree with your second point, @Carrotgirl87

Of course it's spreading in schools. A local school here dealt with a case by sending year 9 home for 48 hours.
!!!!!!
A good number of them took themselves off to the local shopping centre instead.

People on here being very virtuous and unquestioning should just drive up their local secondary school and take a look at the students coming out.

Local lockdowns will never work while the schools are back.
The schools should be back. Everyone agrees with that.
Therefore local lockdowns are pointless, and destructive.

likke i sad previously its not about numbers anymore-essex council requested we go into tier 2 claiming they dont want ti tto get out of hand-we're about 100 out of 150 in the list for cases its ridiculous

if thats the case why not put the whole country into tier 2

Haven't complied from the start! Nor do I wear a muzzle .. don't know or heard of a single person had 'coronavirus' .. only the usuals my neighbours aunts best mates pet goldfish ..

@outofthemoon

Of course it's spreading in schools. A local school here dealt with a case by sending year 9 home for 48 hours. !!!!!! A good number of them took themselves off to the local shopping centre instead.

People on here being very virtuous and unquestioning should just drive up their local secondary school and take a look at the students coming out.

Local lockdowns will never work while the schools are back.
The schools should be back. Everyone agrees with that.
Therefore local lockdowns are pointless, and destructive.

Over the past few months we've had a slew of 'Close the pubs!' "Stop all foreign holidays!", 'Shut the restaurants!' type posts, invariably from people who have little interest in pubs, holidays or restaurants. It was very easy for them to blame the spread of the virus on activities they themselves didn't care about. They could even feel virtuous about it too!

Schools, however, are another matter. Most MNers very much want them to remain open - which is perfectly understandable - so they'll happily ignore the uniformed elephant in the room. Much easier to talk about 'teens' having 'raves', and general lack of 'compliance' from 'covidiots' instead.

The mixed messaging and it being so badly run means I expect people won’t follow many of the rules.
People not following the rules should have faith in their convictions though and not use hospitals should they catch it and feel they need to (there’s a small chance according to these people that they will be overrun). Just follow through with your own implemented policy, no halfway house.

It's clear that there's a time limit on how long people are prepared to comply with social restrictions for and that's just human nature, I don't understand why people can't just acknowledge that rather than getting so upset and aggressive and insulting people?

@bellatrixlestrange123

Haven't complied from the start! Nor do I wear a muzzle .. don't know or heard of a single person had 'coronavirus' .. only the usuals my neighbours aunts best mates pet goldfish ..

I had it. My friend had it. A hairdresser at the end of my road died of it. Don’t deny it’s real, you make yourself look a bit silly. Also - muzzle? Were you intending to bite someone? This word also makes you look rather silly. A mask doesn’t stop you talking or doing anything really.

Over the past few months we've had a slew of 'Close the pubs!' "Stop all foreign holidays!", 'Shut the restaurants!' type posts, invariably from people who have little interest in pubs, holidays or restaurants. It was very easy for them to blame the spread of the virus on activities they themselves didn't care about. They could even feel virtuous about it too!

Too true - and I hereby call for gyms to be shut. And marmite factories to be closed.

This whole thread is unbelievable. No-one likes these rules. Absolutely no-one. However it seems that while some people believe in the greater good, others think the rules don't apply to them. Telling the PP who didn't go and comfort her grieving relative that she made a choice and that it doesn't make her morally superior, when we had all been told this was what we all had to do to stop 1000s more deaths, is so unbelievably vile I can't understand how anyone who supports that view can claim they aren't supremely selfish. What about other rules the vast majority of us abide by even though we'd rather not? How is this different?

*What about other rules the vast majority of us abide by even though we'd rather not? How is this different?
A rule to not drink drive is a good rule.
A rule to self isolate if you have an infectious disease is a good rule.
The lockdown rules are stupid rules that clearly won't achieve what is being claimed. That's the difference.

@Aridane

Over the past few months we've had a slew of 'Close the pubs!' "Stop all foreign holidays!", 'Shut the restaurants!' type posts, invariably from people who have little interest in pubs, holidays or restaurants. It was very easy for them to blame the spread of the virus on activities they themselves didn't care about. They could even feel virtuous about it too!

Too true - and I hereby call for gyms to be shut. And marmite factories to be closed.

But surely by not abiding by the rules people are increasing the chances of pubs and restaurants in gyms being shut in their area. They are also reducing the chance of a foreign holiday as other countries are not going to want British tourists if cases rise.

But, compared to the spread in schools, pubs, gyms are insignificant. That is a horrible fact that we have to face.

I won't support a half lockdown.

I will support a NHS protecting 2-3 week circuit breaker no travel, everything shut, now and again over Christmas, again over Feb half term and Easter. Hopefully by then vaccine and better weather might slow things down.

The reason we are not having a full lockdown is that the government would have to pay for it.

What is happening is tokenism.

However it seems that while some people believe in the greater good, others think the rules don't apply to them.

No. Many people don’t believe that all of these restrictions are for the greater good. They’re pointless suffering and pissing away of public good will, while the actual issues are not addressed.

I won't be seeing my parents indoors as don't want to risk passing them on the virus if I or my child is asymptomatic. It's outdoors only for us.

Whatever side of the debate you're on, it's pretty clear there's a significant and growing number of people who don't fear the virus and who aren't willing to comply with the restrictions to the letter, preferring instead to make their own risk assessment. Whatever you think of that, the rules only work if people accept their legitimacy, and I'm afraid the genie is out of the lamp.

@cardibach it also apparently doesn't stop you from catching or spreading 'COVID' if the scientists stuck to their own advice .. and at the risk of making myself look silly yes a muzzle .. amazingly none of the presenters media or otherwise wear them why not? Pretty sure they're in enclosed spaces? How is always one rule for them and one for us? How is Sweden doing? Oh yes .. just fine

Whatever side of the debate you're on, it's pretty clear there's a significant and growing number of people who don't fear the virus and who aren't willing to comply with the restrictions to the letter, preferring instead to make their own risk assessment. Whatever you think of that, the rules only work if people accept their legitimacy, and I'm afraid the genie is out of the lamp.

Quite

@cardibach I’m saying 2 weeks isn’t enough, can you remember how long we had to be in lockdown last time to get any results. Just think it won’t make a dent on the figures really. We can keep doing this every 2 months.

Really depressing to read here about people brazenly saying about how they havent followed any restrictions from the start, after another long day providing mental health care to doctors and nurses with PTSD from what they dealt with in ICUs. Some people really do have no humanity. And as for "muzzle" - I despair.

Well yes, "muzzle" is just ridiculous.