I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

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Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

Yes I'd be happy with a proper circuit breaker as long as the time was used wisely.

I posted this on another thread last night but here in North Essex someone took a Covid test and got a positive result.

But she hadnt sent the swab back yet.

[quote Aridane]@SerendipityJane - just ask for their covid risk assessment .[/quote]
Keep digging ...

Then hopefully one of your relatives will get covid and need some hospital treatment so you might actually think about everyone else then instead of just yourself.

And what if they die of something else and she didn’t get to see them because of the restrictions?

Why is Covid the ONLY thing that matters to some people? I do not understand it.

I edited in case of deletion btw.

@HeIenaDove

I posted this on another thread last night but here in North Essex someone took a Covid test and got a positive result.

But she hadnt sent the swab back yet.

Maybe it was like the pre-used Birmingham ones ?

The bleating on here because London in now Tier 2.... when it was only 'up North' it was all good and dandy

All lockdowns do is kick the Covid can along the street. At the same time they kill people indirectly.
Initial we were told we need to lockdown so the nhs could cope. The nightingale hospitals were hardly used.
What’s the long term aim of lockdowns?

The thing is plenty of people will be doing what I'm doing. IE not socialising with 30 people at a rave, not inviting all their mates round for a drink etc, but quietly seeing small groups of family.

You might not like it, you can stamp your feet about it all you want to but it's human nature, it's essential for some people and it will keep happening.

As I said, a 2 week circuit breaker I'd be happy to comply with. I'm not a troll, I'm not a covid denier. I happily follow all self isolation and testing rules, I wear a face covering, I keep my distance from people in the street and in shops etc.

But I will not sacrifice seeing my mum and sisters for a vague, open ended period of time, potentially until there is a vaccine. Nope. Won't do it.

And I'm certainly not a troll for saying the British are weird about touch. They are. They also, generally, have a weird attitude to extended family, which is why so many on here are sneery and faux-confused when people mention missing extended family members and wanting to hug them.

I was born and raised here, I'm British. I feel entitled to say that.

Exponential is a problem if it kills everyone it infects. It doesn’t. The vast majority of people have nothing to worry about.
A very small % need to shield.
The majority of those don’t want the younger generations to have to lockdown for their sake

I wasn’t aware of any survey of the c.2m CEV in this regard. Or are you just asserting your personal view on behalf of the CEV??

What’s the long term aim of lockdowns

To kick COVID down the street. Which minimises the curve, thereby reducing overwhelm of the NHS, until a vaccine is produced.

'The Nightingale hospitals were hardly used' is a) because lockdowns work, and b) not the same as 'The Nightingale hospitals will hardly be used'.

Initial we were told we need to lockdown so the nhs could cope. The nightingale hospitals were hardly used.

That’s good though, isn’t is?

But I will not sacrifice seeing my mum and sisters for a vague, open ended period of time, potentially until there is a vaccine. Nope. Won't do it.

But what I genuinely don't understand is that if this helps stops the spread of the virus it keeps your own family and your extended family safer. You've already said that you have a DH and DC so it's not as though you are struggling on your own. Everybody wants to do as you are doing but they recognise it is not the right thing to do when instructed not to do so in the middle of a raging pandemic.

But what I genuinely don't understand is that if this helps stops the spread of the virus it keeps your own family and your extended family safer

But it doesn't because actually at the moment the greatest risk to them is poor mental health, not covid. If they were both 90 and vulnerable it would be a different story.

I'd be happy with a 2 week circuit break if schools and unis were closed. Any half arsed restrictions that include leaving schools fully open are a joke.

Members of family from two households not to meet in socially distanced ways but members of 2000 families still rammed into buses, corridors and classrooms makes zero sense.

I presume all those berating the OP because she wants to spend time with family members (whilst wfh, not having children in school, not using public transport) recognise that that is a million times safer and less likely to cause community spread than having schools open to all full time?

People are so angry that she'll see her own family members but not concerned that school staff are being forced to be part of a bubble that effectively includes their whole town once you factor in family members, their workplaces, public transport etc?

Many people who would like to minimise social contacts, observe social distancing and practice good mitigation are literally not allowed to do so. If they're not allowed to take safety measures at work but are not allowed to have any kind of social life outside of work regardless of the level of mitigation and caution then the rules become a farce and of course there is no trust in the people who set them and lie shamed facedly about the relative risks involved.

What’s the long term aim of lockdowns

Well the short term aim should have been to try to freeze the spread as far as possible (given we already had some advance intelligence as to roughly what we were dealing with) which would have allowed us time to work out how best to proceed long term.

Unfortunately that seemed a bit too complicated for the people we elected (although I would like to state for the record that I didn't as I had zero faith they could tie their own shoelaces in 2019) so it quietly morphed into "plan fuckit".

And that is where we are. Fuckit. Maybe not everyone at the same time, but generally fuckit. Either because people don't understand. Or because people don't want to understand. Or people don't care. Either way the result is the same.

And in any case, I've been repeatedly told on this thread that it's not about me and my loved ones, it is about everyone else and their loved ones.

[quote RationalOne]@TheFormattingIsWrong

Well since you are really attempting to just annoy people OP with your "I know you're all British and you don't do touchy feely, but actually it is important"

Then hopefully one of your fucking relatives will get covid and need some hospital treatment so you might actually think about everyone else then instead of just yourself. Now that isn't anymore mean than basically trolling on here telling everyone how special you are and how you won't comply because after all the guidelines don't work - OF COURSE THEY DON'T WORK STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON WHY....

Now go on complain about my post and get it remove.... [/quote]
I've spent a lot of this year in hospital

I was in a and e when I saw a lady whose 14 yr old son had died of coronavirus. I know as I'd spoken to the husband just hours earlier. I knew they were there

That intense. Guttural scream of a family who've just lost their child. It's something that I'll never forget. I cried hysterically myself for hours. I didn't know the child. I didn't know the family. Except for the few words we'd exchanged whilst next to each other. But it haunts me.

I have young children myself. It was their only child........I won't ever forget.

I shield for people like that. I stay in. I honestly don't think that unless people have been directly effected. That they will ever know.

I'd be happy with a 2 week circuit break if schools and unis were closed. Any half arsed restrictions that include leaving schools fully open are a joke

Which is why the recommendation was for it to start at half term

OP you have expressed your views articulately and patiently. I pretty much agree with them, I follow the 'rules' to a degree but am at the point where I see further lockdowns as being futile.
To those who have name-called, abused and attempted to belittle the OP - shame on you. You ought to be embarrassed that you are unable to put your point across without resorting to personal attacks and name-calling.

TheHoneyBadger

Agree with every word of your post.

@TheFormattingIsWrong

Well. If you gave me Covid. You'll kill me

What co morbidity has a 100% mortality rate?

So many people seem to be failing to read OP's posts properly. It's as if in their minds there are just two very distinct groups - those who stick to the rules religiously, and selfish covid-deniers.

Quite, but it makes them feel better so.

I have an incredibly rare disease. I'm one of only 300 ever known.

Sadly I spend a lot of time in hospital due to my illness.

To be fair, @toxtethOgradyUSA, the saintly OP has made personal attacks and sneerY comments abOut and to others on this thread

I don’t know why you’re getting such a hard time OP, it’s not as if you’re planning on throwing parties or attending any other large gatherings. Seeing a couple of family members, whilst maintaining distance isn’t going to increase the risk of spread that much.

I was all for lockdown, but I’ve had enough now too. Although I’m not planning on breaking the rules, I will if I feel justified at some point for whatever reason.