I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

[TheFormattingIsWrong]

Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

I honestly can’t understand why you’re being so blatantly ignorant and selfish.

Your risking lives that aren’t your own. How can you justify that for a cup of tea and a fucking movie.

Idiot.

We aren't in this situation solely because of rule breakers. Once you come out of lockdown cases will obviously rise

Depends on how you come out of lockdown - whether in one 4th July gush or incrementally, step by step

I'm not going to be complying to the letter this time. I'll continue to see my partner - both of us don't have contact with others through work and won't be having contact with anyone outside our houses (he lives with brother, I live with one other person - though not a friend or relative and only stays in the house to sleep). The last lockdown caused me immense depression and suicidal thoughts. I'm currently seeking treatment for this, but to tell me I have to spend another X amount of months totally socially isolated. No. I can't do it. Its either allow myself this one contact or go to an incredibly dark place that I may never get back from.

Many of those living (happily) with DP/DC just don't give a frig about the mental toil that those who are isolated go through.

Parts of the uk have low virus levels - and less restrictions as a result. So you can control the virus if you wish and then feel the benefit.

Except thats no longer true. You can comply and get levels low and restrictions still get placed.

Are you one of those who won’t self isolate if you test positive and / or give false details when visiting restaurants and the like?

Not at all. I've had covid symptoms twice and both times I self isolated immediately and got tested, and stayed isolated until my results were negative. On the rare occasion I've been to a restaurant, I've always left my details

Sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative

No narrative - just asking a question

What are the people who aren't intending to comply think will happen as a consequence? If cases go up then everything will be shutdown and people will lose jobs. That's already happening in Liverpool .Even if you don't care about deaths increasing don't you care about the economy?

I'm more furious about the huge numbers of people who've refused to download the NHS covid app, or who've deliberately bought/dug out old phones that it won't work on, or who pretend not to have a mobile phone, all so that they have an excuse not to scan-in at a pub or restaurant and then write false details on the signing-in sheet

Some people dont have phones or the latest phones because they were simply doing as they were told @Badbadbunny

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/people-fuming-over-esther-mcveys-16052306

Former Merseyside MP Esther McVey has sparked anger today for seeming to blame families on the bread line prioritising computers and mobile phones over food.

The controversial ex-Work and Pensions secretary is widely disliked by many in the region, having been seen as the face of Tory benefit policies like the Bedroom Tax, and more recently Universal Credit.

Both have both been blamed for pushing people into poverty right across Merseyside and the rise in the use of food banks.

In an interview in today's Times, the ex-Wirral West politician referenced the proliferation of food banks, and said: “When I was growing up my parents put money into food, utility bills and the mortgage.

"Now people feel to be connected they’ve got to have an iPad and a phone that will help them with education and jobs.”

The comments from Ms McVey, who some people are tipping to take a run at Theresa May's top job if she decides to step down, were roundly condemned this morning.

@TheFormattingIsWrong

I'm not disagreeing the March lockdown worked btw. I'm saying that it isn't going to work now because you will not get people to comply with an open ended lockdown, again.

If you gave people a tiny bit of leeway to see family, you'd have more luck.

You may want leeway to see family but others will naturally want it for something else.

Compliance is necessary to drive numbers down when we are the vectors.

We have to take a societal not individualistic approach.

@MH1111

Public opinion is turning. People want to get on with their lives, covid is just something we will have to live with just like other diseases and risks we face daily. This is called life.

People still haven't bothered to look up what "exponential" means I see.

Not that anyone needs to, it's been explained countless times.

Flowersinthewindowstill

@PriceEmUp

Exactly, some really selfish people on here.

I don't know why anyone thinks that seeing family outside in the pissing October rain, from 2 metres away, is in any way a substitute for quality time with them.

We don't like it either. But recognise that in the middle of a global pandemic spending quality time with family (Mothers and various sisters) inside having dinners and watching movies isn't the answer either.

As a nurse visiting up to 20 different households each day to provide care to people in their homes I just want to say thanks very much for increasing my risk and the risk to my family!

I get that it is shit and that you are happy to risk yourself and your family. Fine, your life. What about my life though? My family? So you go mixing yourselves with someone infected and then I come in to provide care and catch it. Cheers for that!

Despite what people think none of my work has stopped, still caring as I have always done and bloody terrified when I turn up at houses with lots of people in them who clearly are not following the rules, many even tell me so.

I cant/wont without care, but think it is selfish that people are deciding not to follow the rules because they are happy with the consequences for themselves but don't consider the consequences for others.

I really hope people don't start clapping the carers and putting their signs up for NHS again as this wave sweeps through the country because actually it is pretty two faced, clearly many don't respect us our our NHS at all.

IronLawOfGeometricProgression

Exponential is a problem if it kills everyone it infects. It doesn’t. The vast majority of people have nothing to worry about.
A very small % need to shield.
The majority of those don’t want the younger generations to have to lockdown for their sake

@TheFormattingIsWrong

But what about the people they come into contact with and the people those people come into contact with. Should they have to live with the consequences of your actions?

Again, please explain the difference between me unwittingly infecting a stranger with norovirus or chickenpox, and me unwittingly infecting a stranger with covid 19.

People's altruism towards others they don't know and have no emotional attachment to only goes so far. That's human nature.

Well. If you gave me Covid. You'll kill me

If you give me norovirus. I'll survive (but I might not. Due to my condition)

If you give me chickenpox. I'll survive.

What does "get on with my life" mean though? When the pubs shops cinemas gyms salons are shut, deliveries don't happen, the electricity supply is intermittent, there are fewer police, ambulance and fire fighters on hand, hospitals have fewer nurses and doctors ... bins aren't collected, trains don't run ... So what part of society, that you live in, is immune from covid running wild? Where not only you and your loved ones, but all the invisible and unnoticed people who facilitate your life, are safe?

It is absolutely impossible to "get on with my life" when, if everyone did that, they'd be no fucking infrastructure never mind fun, in place?

So many people seem to be failing to read OP's posts properly. It's as if in their minds there are just two very distinct groups - those who stick to the rules religiously, and selfish covid-deniers.

We need better rules and, if there is to be widespread compliance, we need a coherent exit plan.

Exponential means, for all the dumb wits out there, that we get covid at the same fucking time. So for a month or so, vast swathes of the population are at home, not capable of working. What happens to you then? See my post of two minutes ago.

Agree with lots of PPs: last week most of MN were scathing about us northerners who are too thick to follow the rules, now all of a sudden it’s come to London and the rules are stupid and should be ignored...

Yes, always the way

It’s like all the threads about hey let the vulnerable and elderly shield (the ‘others’) so I can live my life instructed. Then when there was a thread about one possibility the government were considering about a much much wider definition of vulnerable and ‘elderly’ meant anyone over 45 😂

And oh my, all those previously ‘othering’ the elderly / CEV were suddenly up in arms at the idea that the ‘others’ shielding might be them - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4034075-All-over-45s-to-shield-one-of-SAGEs-suggestions

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@SerendipityJane - just ask for their covid risk assessment .

Well. If you gave me Covid. You'll kill me

What co morbidity has a 100% mortality rate?

So many people seem to be failing to read OP's posts properly. It's as if in their minds there are just two very distinct groups - those who stick to the rules religiously, and selfish covid-deniers.

Quite, but it makes them feel better so.

Public opinion is turning. People want to get on with their lives, covid is just something we will have to live with just like other diseases and risks we face daily

Yes, it is - but not the way you assert. Most recent opinion poll is that majority of public support a nationwide circuit breaker lockdown

Now go on complain about my post and get it remove

Why would I do that, I haven't done it to any of the other posts insulting me.

I actually wouldn't object to a circuit breaker. It's the constant on off open ended semi lockdowns I object to.