I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

[TheFormattingIsWrong]

Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

A casual glance at various stats - especially in graphs over time - suggests that the March lockdown worked. Right up until people wanted to jet off on holiday and it became imperative to Eat Out to Spread Out. At which point it just spiralled and here we are.

Yes that's right, I'm definitely just too special to comply. That's all it is.

I have backed all the restrictions and done them gladly and willingly from the start,whilst working through this pandemic. Things are different now though, Schools are open and work continues for me and my dh and dd.I will do and still do go shopping only once a week ,havent been to a pub for a beer or been out to eat thats fine for us,however I will see my mum and brother and my son who all live in different homes.The mental damage this caused for us all being apart the first time round was almost too much to bear and I will not put my family through that again,I will carry on sending my dd to school and me and dh will carry on working and obeying what the pm says ecept for this issue ..and I am not budging on it.

@JS87

I'm not sure when we became such a selfish nation but it's enough to make you want to emigrate.

I know. The next generation growing up worries me as how many will think only of themselves and not others from the examples being set.

There needs to be harsh penalties for non compliance and any nhs treatment costs reclaimed from those who broke the laws/rules as it didn’t suit them.

I'm not disagreeing the March lockdown worked btw. I'm saying that it isn't going to work now because you will not get people to comply with an open ended lockdown, again.

If you gave people a tiny bit of leeway to see family, you'd have more luck.

Agree with lots of PPs: last week most of MN were scathing about us northerners who are too thick to follow the rules, now all of a sudden it’s come to London and the rules are stupid and should be ignored...

I won't bore you by noting how the "guide" also fails to tell me what an employers safe arrangements "should" consist of, but I'm sure you've already noticed a theme ....)

It’s elsewhere on an industry by industry basis

@TheFormattingIsWrong

So yes a want to go see your mate inside their house shouldn’t trump the above

Well that's not what I want. What I want is to see my mum and sisters who are struggling with their MH.

Well see them outside or on a zoom call. I haven’t seen my Mum for 7 months.

No one ever goes on the news to complain that the murder rate is too high and point out the perfectly obvious fact that if people just stopped killing other people there would be no murders. Because in general society accepts that certain things are part of being human and you can't do much to control them

Haha WHAT?!

Dd is 15. Talking about this in the car today she said (casually) "Well my friends and I won't be doing that". When pressed she said that they are in school all day together. Half term is coming up, the weather will be rubbish and they won't not see each other at people's houses. It makes no sense at all to say they are in a mega bubble in school (and travelling to and from) but can't see the same friends to socialise with outside of school (if in a Tier 2 or 3 area).

@JinglingHellsBells

We have complied since lockdown. It hasn't worked.

BUT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T.

WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THIS SHIT-SHOW NOW.

You're still wrong, even if you write it in capitals.

We have this shit show now because the government failed to use the time gained by lockdown to build the necessary public health measures.

It takes too long to get a test, too long to get the results and too long for test and trace to contact people, if they ever do. The government has lost so much public trust that many people don't want to give their details to test and trace and don't want to give their contact's details.

There's very very little support for people who need to isolate. It costs many people more than they can afford to do the right thing so people will avoid getting tests, avoid answering T&T calls and they will avoid giving their contacts' details, especially if they know they are struggling financially.

None of these problems are insurmountable. Hand it to local authorities, do it door to door, rebuild trust, put decent support in place.

I’m 24, the chances of me having severe effects of the virus are slim, however I have a grandma, a grandad, both elderly, diabetic and asthmatic. I could go out drinking l, partying, not bothered about rules think it’s all a joke. But then when they die from covid who do I blame? The system, the government? The NHS? BoJo?

I’ll have no one to blame but myself.

If you are someone that had the ‘it won’t happen to me’ mindset, then also have the audacity to slate those trying to have some form of a plan to tackle this, you need to take a good long hard look at yourself. Absolute waste of selfishness.

Well see them outside or on a zoom call. I haven’t seen my Mum for 7 months.

That's your choice. It won't be mine.

If you gave people a tiny bit of leeway to see family, you'd have more luck.

Well OP you have said you live in London and I'm assuming you still can see some of your family outside. Go put a coat on and stand in their garden if they have one or meet at the park. You have some leeway to do that. What is wrong in doing that as we don't live in Siberia?

@perfume577943 I wish it was as easy as that. There are people that need to shield, but they can’t just be isolated completely for example - there will be school children’s’ parents (that they live with) undergoing cancer treatment which lowers their immune system, they have to send their kids to school, so will be facing even greater risk if their kids’ classmates are meeting auntie Jane and uncle Tim on the weekend and their children who go to different schools. Similarly, when I go to a restaurant with my household, the waiter serving me may have someone vulnerable at home, and has no say in how much socialising I have done during the day, and can’t turn down a shift at work.

@Aridane

I won't bore you by noting how the "guide" also fails to tell me what an employers safe arrangements "should" consist of, but I'm sure you've already noticed a theme ....)

It’s elsewhere on an industry by industry basis

You realise you've just made my point, don't you ?

How many guides do I have to read to get todays rules ?

Well OP you have said you live in London and I'm assuming you still can see some of your family outside. Go put a coat on and stand in their garden if they have one or meet at the park. You have some leeway to do that. What is wrong in doing that as we don't live in Siberia?

Nope you're alright; I'd like to sit down and have a cup of tea and eat dinner and watch a film with my mum and sisters and I'll continue to do that.

Nope you're alright; I'd like to sit down and have a cup of tea and eat dinner and watch a film with my mum and sisters and I'll continue to do that.

And this is exactly why the virus just spreads and spreads with attitudes like this. I agree with everybody who has stated you are one very selfish person and sadly there seem to be many like you.

I wish all these non compliers could be named, shamed and put in the stocks in their towns

I am fucking sick of them

Take a look at what Indonesia does for the mask refusers, covid rule breakers

On people denying that the NHS are only prioritising covid, to deny this is completely and utterly ridiculous. Our local facebook page has been full for months and months of local residents complaining they cant get an appt at with their GP, or they are having to wait longer or they have just given up trying. There have been numerous reports that the number of heart attacks and strokes being reported are massively down. Whatever decision has been made internally by the NHS, without any shadow of doubt the net result of the national obsession with Covid is that less people than would normally have been seen for other illnesses have done so. We will be seeing the ramifications of this for years (and that's not even coming to MH issues, suicides).

The trouble with people who say they won't be complying, is that they always assume the virus is going to infect other people. Never themselves or their loved ones. It's always going to be 'the elderly' or 'BAME' or 'people with underlying conditions.'
If we all continue with the non-compliance selfishness, then one day it could actually be you who catches it.

Public opinion is turning. People want to get on with their lives, covid is just something we will have to live with just like other diseases and risks we face daily.
This is called life.

@Racoonworld

OK, so what would you do to limit the spread and stop too many entering hospitals at once then instead of what is current guidelines, since you cannot be bothered with it. What would work?

"Totally agree. We won’t be complying either. The sooner the government realise that lockdown isn’t working the better."

I don't know why anyone thinks that seeing family outside in the pissing October rain, from 2 metres away, is in any way a substitute for quality time with them.

And zoom is an even worse one.

People need connection and contact. I know you're all British and you don't do touchy feely, but actually it is important.

@TheFormattingIsWrong

Well see them outside or on a zoom call. I haven’t seen my Mum for 7 months.

That's your choice. It won't be mine.

Why do you want to tell the world though like it’s something to be proud of? I don’t go around saying how much I’ve been trying to keep transmission low. Why would I want to? Are you asking for everyone to say well done? I do not understand at all. It makes me quite sad really.