I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

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Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

We're a tiny family and the people they know and love are me and my son. And our chance of death or serious illness is minimal, and we don't mix with anyone else anyway. We don't even go to the supermarket.

Oh come on! Everyone could say they are an exception for some reason or other.

You have no idea if your chance of death is minimal.

I do not believe that you never go out, handle money, touch packages, use public transport, or buy fuel if you have a car. ALL of these mean you could a) have the virus and b) pass it on and c) not even know if you had it.

You are clearly very poorly informed

BTW there are plenty of NHS staff who agree with me on this. I know several of them.

I'm not sure when we became such a selfish nation but it's enough to make you want to emigrate.

So why could I not have been seen?

Because you might be carrying Covid and could infect others.

OR because they were short of nursing staff.

But again OP further upthread you say the chances of you getting covid are next to nil as you never go anywhere or do anything. Now on this page you say you have had symptoms twice and been tested. And you mention going to restaurants.

But you've previously said you present no risk whatsoever meeting up with your family and now mention you've had symptoms twice and been tested. It's just endless irony after irony from you.

If people could just do as asked it will be easier to get through this. The whole World is facing this.

OP I completely agree.

We have complied since lockdown. It hasn't worked. Meanwhile 1400 teenagers are mixing at the school up the road with absolutely minimal social distancing, masks etc. I'm not blaming them. They're kids. But lockdown doesn't work.

Individuals need to be as responsible as they can for their own health and that of the people they care for. I am not leaving my 80+ year old mother alone all winter, and I'm not locking up myself as if there were dystopian monsters out there. We are not immortal anyway.

I am so angry that people won't comply. Why are you so special? I hate people right now.

BTW there are plenty of NHS staff who agree with me on this. I know several of them

Oh well you must be right then.

I do not believe that you never go out, handle money, touch packages, use public transport, or buy fuel if you have a car. ALL of these mean you could a) have the virus and b) pass it on and c) not even know if you had it.

I go out for walks. Since cases started rising again I've stopped going to the supermarket and I've stopped going to restaurants.

I don't need to use public transport as I WFH and I can't drive and don't own a car. I don't need to go anywhere that I can't walk to.

Yes, I receive packages occasionally but I wash my hands after handling them and as I understand it the risk of contracting covid from a package is minimal.

If I were travelling to work on public transport, working with other people in close proximity, visiting supermarkets daily, going to restaurants etc, I wouldn't be seeing my family.

"All you arseholes not complying are just making it longer until the rest of us that are can see our families."
Littleposh - why do you and your ilk feel the need to permanently resort to insults? Do start swearing at people in RL when they have a different opinion to yours?

We have complied since lockdown. It hasn't worked.

BUT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T.

WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THIS SHIT-SHOW NOW.

Now on this page you say you have had symptoms twice and been tested. And you mention going to restaurants.

Both before cases started to rise. Since they started to rise I've prioritised seeing my family over doing anything else which might hold risk.

The last time I went to a restaurant was at the end of July, and my last test was also around that time.

@TheFormattingIsWrong All your posts show you clearly don't have a blinking clue about transmission and why hospitals were closed for some thing.

@TheFormattingIsWrong

It's this level of stupidity that really, really gets to me. Nobody wants the NHS to be overwhelmed so that treatments can still take place for all - not just Covid patients. If over the Winter period hospitals just get full of Covid patients the backlog of people waiting to be seen for other ailments will just grow and grow and you are one of those people who want/need treatment but will not follow the legislation either. So I'm taking it you don't actually want to waiver your right to treatment after all then?

What in God's name are you banging on about? I said I would waiver my right to covid treatment.

The other treatments have not been cancelled because the NHS is overwhelmed, they have been cancelled because the NHS is prioritising covid to the detriment of everything else. Which according to a lot of people on this thread will continue to be the case until there is a vaccine.

That just isn't true that the NHS is prioritising covid. When your ICU is running at full capacity you have to cancel non essential operations because there is no bed for the patient to go to if the surgery leads to unexpected complications e.g. due to general anaesthetic. This is already happening again in Liverpool hospitals where ICU is at 95% capacity. Of course maybe you are suggesting that they just refuse to admit anyone with covid/respiratory symptoms and leave them to die at home so that there are ICU beds free for other things???

I won't be complying with the restrictions in London either. I'd already made plans to see an old friend next week for lunch, we've waited months to catch up, and will have to pretend we're married or something if asked. I will also be going ahead with playdates after school with children from my son's class (whom he sees all day anyway).

It's definitely true that the more people you know with mild or asymptomatic illness, the less scary the virus seeks, and the more warped the early media representation of the worst possible outcomes becomes. (Imagine how scaremongering it would seem to show an NCT group a video of labour going disastrously wrong, ending in crash caesareans, stillbirths, hemorrhages etc). In one of my university classes today two of the students had Covid-19 (diagnosed in last few days) and were very lively and chatty. One had written a superb essay. The only one who seemed ill had a cold, and was blowing her nose a lot.

But OP again the irony. There is a risk in seeing your family which is why you are being told not to do so !!

I just give up. I'm with you JinglingHellsBells

I'm sick of reading things like the op. I live abroad. We had virtually no cases up until recently. The past few days we've had more cases than we did in the height of lockdown. We have strict travel restrictions but no quarantine.

Yesterday a friend came to visit DH from the UK. This friend has disobeyed the rules on several occasions. (Had different partners living with him over lockdown, broke the rules of 6 etc)

He needed a test to get on the plane. He got an NHS test because he's a civil servant and worked with someone who has symptoms. He allowed plenty of time but hadn't received the result on time for his flight so he attached a false one to his flight pass and the airline allowed it. This kind of behaviour is why we have the figures we do. Everywhere.

Thread demonstrate beautifully why we are fucked.
It spreads by contact people will not stop contact. track and trace people won't comply irrespective how good or how bad the system,

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People on both sides get frustrated, I understand. People on one side because they feel that covid is being prioritised over other things which are harming the people they love, and people on the other side because they believe lockdown will enable everything to go back to normal again.

I understand the other side, I just don't agree with it. Partly because human nature is a powerful part of this, and you can't keep humans away from other humans indefinitely. You can scream about it all you want but you just can't.

No one ever goes on the news to complain that the murder rate is too high and point out the perfectly obvious fact that if people just stopped killing other people there would be no murders. Because in general society accepts that certain things are part of being human and you can't do much to control them.

Plenty of people may not like what I've said here and feel I'm being stupid and selfish and all the rest of it, that's their prerogative. I don't agree, but I won't convince them otherwise and they won't convince me otherwise.

I call don't I shift in the gears and abracadabra

Imagine a world where people took responsibility for their own health 🙄
Eventually the government will be dragged the policy of protecting the vulnerable whilst allowing the rest of us to get in with our lives

@JinglingHellsBells

We have complied since lockdown. It hasn't worked.

BUT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T.

WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THIS SHIT-SHOW NOW.

We aren't in this situation solely because of rule breakers. Once you come out of lockdown cases will obviously rise. Children are quite rightly in school, people are in workplaces, students went back to uni, care homes are full, restaurants and pubs were busy all summer etc etc. All of these things will lead to cases rising. It was always inevitable once people were mixing again. Rule breakers may cause some transmission but it isn't the main cause at all.

If you and everyone else who wasn’t complying.. complied.. wholeheartedly stuck to the rules. It might actually work as a circuit breaker... but like you said. You and other won’t and don’t comply so of course it’s going to continue spreading...

That just isn't true that the NHS is prioritising covid. When your ICU is running at full capacity you have to cancel non essential operations because there is no bed for the patient to go to if the surgery leads to unexpected complications e.g. due to general anaesthetic. This is already happening again in Liverpool hospitals where ICU is at 95% capacity.

So, once again, why are appointments being cancelled when there are no covid patients in that specific ICU? Just in case they get them? As that is what a PP said.

I despair, we're royally fucked because some people are too special to comply. Thanks 👍