I'm calling it - people aren't complying.

[TheFormattingIsWrong]

Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

@AlexaShutUp

I do agree this has been badly managed. I don’t agree that therefore we should just act like children and do whatever we want.

Yes, exactly.

But what about people who want to comply, but are bamboozled by the ever changing rules, guidelines and laws ? The middle majority who are getting lumped in with "can't mask won't mask" and "total compliance all the way" ?

I'm no idiot, and I have no idea what exactly the rules are where I live. Yes, I could hunt it all down. But more can't than won't.

Interesting, everyone I know is complying. We mostly know people who’ve been seriously ill though, or have seen the current state of local hospitals. Is it a London thing to not comply?

Short sighted, ignorant, selfish attitude.

I hope people that blatantly refuse to follow the guidance are proud of themselves when the system collapses and many more people die needlessly.

@TheFormattingIsWrong

Local lockdowns aren't working. The North has proven that. Why would it be different in London or anywhere else for that matter? People have stopped complying. They did it in March when it was implied by Bojo that it was going to be a 3 month thing, but as it has become abundantly clear that that this is going to be a way of living until there is a vaccine, and there is no guarantee on a vaccine, people have just said sod it then, I'm not living that way.

I won't be complying. I'll be continuing to see my mum and my sisters. I'd obey it to the letter if it was a 2 week circuit breaker, but as it's clear we're going to have to live this way until at least next Spring, no, I won't be complying.

And for those who say "oh well that's why cases are going up" - until this government kicks itself up the arse and gets a functioning test and trace system in place, they always would anyway. Either it's lockdown or it's cases rising. And most of us aren't prepared to live without seeing family or friends (yes, indoors!) until Spring.

Totally agree. I won’t be complying either - lost a relative recently and it just brought it home how much time we lost due to these stupid restrictions for a disease less infectious than flu.

Agree OP

Fair enough, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the OP.

Where has OP pointed the finger of blame at The North for not complying?

Needs include those getting long Covid

Some viruses can flare up decades after initial infection - with deadly consequences. And some serious diseases have been linked with viral dormancy.

There is no way on this - or any other - Earth we can know for sure that this won't be the case with Covid. If that's an unfortunate fact of nature then file it alongside gravity and entropy.

@SerendipityJane I agree there are loads of mixed messages and it makes me mad to see everything so badly managed.

This is good I think... if we think of it as mainly aerosol transmitted. Then seeing people outside in the park or outside cafes is relatively low risk. But if we are all shouting and singing we are transmitting a lot. Or lots of people packed in.

If we are inside, in another building or house, then masks on, windows open and don’t spend a lot of time there.

Obviously our own households we just act normally with each other.

That’s pretty much the main risks.

I'm no idiot, and I have no idea what exactly the rules are where I live. Yes, I could hunt it all down. But more can't than won't.

I know the changing regulations are hard to keep track of, but it isn't difficult to find out the local rules if you look. Pop your postcode into this and it will tell you.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-54373904

I think people dont really understand what's happening. Lockdowns will not cure the problem of covid , only slow it down - temporarily.
We are not in lockdown because people dont wear masks or because youngsters like to party, the virus is out there and wont disappear if people " do as they are told " , granted , it would transmit at a much lower rate .
A new virus has appeared just as other viruses have appeared over millions of years and blaming the government or " covidiots" is totally futile and pointless

@TheFormattingIsWrong

Yes, I know it's about minimisation, but it isn't fair, and people can't be expected to comply with it

Of course it's not fair, it's a deadly virus that's too virulent for us to find a solution that keeps us healthy and allows our economy to survive.

But you keep stamping your feet and having a tantrum. The rest of us will be doing what we can to minimise transmission, even if the government aren't doing what we want and even if it pisses us off.

@SerendipityJane I agree there are loads of mixed messages and it makes me mad to see everything so badly managed.

try being an out of work manager and watching this shitshow then. If we have learned nothing else from these past few months it should be how pisspoor recruitment has been all these years. Frankly I think we might have gotten better management if we'd recruited to ensure equal representation of all star signs.

It's certainly apparent that any ministers that came from a business background must have done so to a sigh of relief from their colleagues that they'd finally got rid of the useless one.

Everyone I see is prepared to accept the potential consequences, so yes, thanks

Cheers - so you’re accepting the potential consequences not just for your family but Also for anyone else You see? Are you one of those who won’t self isolate if you test positive and / or give false details when visiting restaurants and the like?

It’s hard not to feel that British people are looking to the world like selfish, entitled babies.

@lurker101

I hope all those deciding not to comply realise that’s they are increasing the risk of transmission to those they are choosing to see and are happy to live with potential consequences. I will not be breaking the rules as I couldn’t live with the consequences. In my view it’s many people deciding they are exempt from the rules that is elongating this (alongside the obvious issues with test track and trace).

Just don't see the people who wish to shield?

I am not complying but tbh I don’t even know what “not complying” is anymore. People are sick of it and lockdown has had some pretty serious repercussions in terms of mental health, job losses and even suicides and still births. How fucking depressing is that! So yeah, I will go and see my mum. Sweden are doing fine. My brother in law had it and no one in the house who quarantined with him for the two weeks even caught it.

I hope people that blatantly refuse to follow the guidance are proud of themselves when the system collapses and many more people die needlessly.

They'll blame the government for not explaining things clearly enough.

Reminds me of a patient in a GP surgery I once worked in. She had refused the MMR vaccine for her child and declined an appointment to discuss with the GP.
The child caught measles and was very ill with encephalitis.

She made an official complaint to the PCT saying the GP had been negligent because he hadn't tried hard enough to persuade her to change her mind.

Sorry, where is your evidence for this hyperbolic nonsense?

You're not sorry. It is very clear that if left unchecked, cases are going to continue to increase. This will mean hospitalisations and deaths will increase. With that, there will come panic when it's your family member who needs a bed but can't get one - whether it's covid or something else. The sheer numbers of people incapacitated at any one time will ensure that some of the basics go awry - food delivery, policing, repair of essential services (mainly utilities). So when your heating is off in the middle of winter and you can't get an appointment to get it fixed for 6 weeks, your house is burgled whilst you're in it and the police don't come, your grandfather was left to die alone in a hospital corridor and you can't get a loaf of bread from the supermarket without queuing from 5am, you will start to understand. The inevitable result will be martial law and the armed forces on the streets to try and avoid rioting and the increase in local crime.

Unfortunately, there are too many people, like the OP, who will insist this is just hyperbole. But it will be a reality if things continue as they are. We all need to do our bit.

@PhilCornwall1
Yes. I want nothing more from the NHS. They have treated me like shit.

Incredible.

Let me tell you a little story. Im an adult in my thirties. I'm high functioning but I've had severe mental health difficulties since the age of 12, including long term, recurring anorexia nervosa. Do you know how the NHS treats anorexia? Do you know how the NHS treated anorexics 20 years ago? Suffice it to say that I've had things done to me in the name of treatment that - so much for 'treated me like shit' - would now meet the criteria of institutional abuse. I have stories very few people believe.

Last August I was in a completely random accident. I fell down a narrow staircase into a narrow corridor with a hard floor and some cabinets, hitting my head and losing consciousness in a position that unluckily caused positional asphyxia. To my great luck, a random passerby found me and called an ambulance. An NHS ambulance, mind - if I had private insurance (lol I don't) he would have had absolutely no way of knowing that or accessing it. I was in a coma for a couple of days, on total life support. Once sufficiently re-oxygenated, I woke up and made a rapid and complete recovery with no lasting effects. Some of this was because I have good lung capacity, but by far the single biggest factor was the excellent work of the NHS paramedics and intensive care team. To say you 'want nothing' from the NHS is so short sighted I'm having trouble believing an adult wrote it.

When it becomes easier to break the law than follow it we have a big problem. Things that normally law abiding citizens do every day of the week are now illegal and the government haven’t provided evidence why they think the specific measures introduced will work now given that they have failed to get us back to normal so far. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. It is necessary to learn how to live alongside this virus. It’s not going anywhere and we can’t lock down for months on end.

[quote AlexaShutUp]I'm no idiot, and I have no idea what exactly the rules are where I live. Yes, I could hunt it all down. But more can't than won't.

I know the changing regulations are hard to keep track of, but it isn't difficult to find out the local rules if you look. Pop your postcode into this and it will tell you.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-54373904[/quote]
Thanks for that, it helped not at all.

You should work at home if possible. If you cannot do this, you can return to your workplace but your employer must make arrangements for you to work safely.

So what if my employer (who should, not must) make arrangements decides not to ? What do I do then ? Oh - the rules stop there. And that's just one line from the rules.

See my point ?

(I won't bore you by noting how the "guide" also fails to tell me what an employers safe arrangements "should" consist of, but I'm sure you've already noticed a theme ....)

only read a small amount of this because the first page was so full of nonsense.

I know quite a few households in London who are fully complying and actually being more careful than they need to be - because they know enough about the virus not to want to catch it - and that includes the younger households.

Those places controlling the virus are having less economic damage and their health care continues as normal. It is the failure to control the virus that creates all the things people complain about. If you want them to stop then you need to comply more strictly than you are doing now and to get other people to do the same.

Unless you want health care to become even more sparse than it is now and more economic damage than we have now then you avoid other people whenever you can, pressurise your schools to let children wear masks, wear your own mask properly (dont adjust or remove by grabbing the middle) and sanitise your hands often.

Parts of the uk have low virus levels - and less restrictions as a result. So you can control the virus if you wish and then feel the benefit.

@Hopeisathingwithfeathers

It’s hard not to feel that British people are looking to the world like selfish, entitled babies.

You've just reminded me of the video clips from March of Brits from the Costa del Twats.

@TheFormattingIsWrong

FFS- lockdown isn't working because people are not following the rules.

It's that simple.

Are you crazy?

@Spacemonkey2016 One word.......................money Thats why they have placed us there.