Would anyone support another national lockdown?

[RubyandBen]

Same as the last one. Schools, non essential shops, hospitality etc. stretching on for a few months. If yes, can I ask what are your personal circumstances?

@VillageGreenTree

Yes as it would reduce the number of people actually DYING. Education, jobs, savings, stress can all be recovered but death is it. The end.

Hahahahahaha.

So you think people don't kill themselves because of jobs, money or stress?

What a charmed life you lead.

I would do what is required.

@stayathomer

Stop kicking the can down the road! I've heard this phrase so much on mn the last day or two. How is taking action on covid with intermittent lockdowns kicking the can down the road? That's an honest question, I dont get it. Surely the other way is kicking the can down the road, hoping masks and handwashing can combat it

Oh, come on. Surely you aren't that daft?

What it means is that Covid is here to stay. If we lock down, again, it's just deferring the problem. Because - if I need to spell it out again - Covid is not going away.

You surely don't think that it is?

@RonaLisa It achieved fuck all

You mean it achieved fuck all for you personally. For everyone else it meant that we went from 1,000 deaths a day to less than 100, it saved tens of thousands of lives.

How can you call that fuck all unless the only person you care about is yourself?

No. And how do we know that it would save lives from covid anyway? As soon as you (partially) opened up again you're back in the same position within a couple of months. In the meantime, the lockdown shortens the lives of thousands, maybe even millions, due to unemployment, lack of funding for services in future and damage to mental health and significantly decreases the long term quality of life of almost everyone. At best another lockdown might give some people who would otherwise have caught covid and died a few extra months which they spend in lockdown anyway.

It seems crazy to repeat a strategy (i.e. lockdown with no credible exit plan) which didn't work the first time and hasn't worked across the rest of Europe either.

Definitely not. It would not stop the virus and would be economically catastrophic.

Also sick of people dismissing schools as nothing.
Honestly people aren't, it's just scary when you get text messages from parents in your kids class saying they're in for a test or you get an email saying there's a positive in your school but the affected people have been contacted. And you're thinking I'm making my kids wade into a potential Russian roulette situation daily. Yes that's dramatic but when you pare it down it's what it is. My 12 yo laughs that we have all these rules for shops but they go out the window with schools and I change the subject cos what can you say?

@Northernsoulgirl45

I would do what is required.

Meaning?

I require you to defy lockdowns and go about your business as normal.

Other people would require you to hide away at home for the next three years.

To what are you referring?

@VillageGreenTree

Yes as it would reduce the number of people actually DYING. Education, jobs, savings, stress can all be recovered but death is it. The end.

I'm sure all the old people in care homes who weren't allowed contact with their children/grandchildren or hold hands with their partners of 50 years are just glad they are alive locked in their rooms. Life at all costs. Quantity not quality eh. As long as they got a few extra months of that isolated life thats all that matters.

Its not as simple as just saving lives.

No, absolutely not. I can't even bear to think about it.

@stayathomer

Also sick of people dismissing schools as nothing. Honestly people aren't, it's just scary when you get text messages from parents in your kids class saying they're in for a test or you get an email saying there's a positive in your school but the affected people have been contacted. And you're thinking I'm making my kids wade into a potential Russian roulette situation daily. Yes that's dramatic but when you pare it down it's what it is. My 12 yo laughs that we have all these rules for shops but they go out the window with schools and I change the subject cos what can you say?

It's not scary. I've had this with one of mine. She was all dramatic about it. I said there was no cause for drama, and that there would be people at every single school who contract Covid. It's not newsworthy, any more than someone contracting flu or Measles or Rubella or Mumps (in fact, the latter three would be more newsworthy, as they are more rare).

It really didn’t achieve fuck all. What planet are you on??

It actually reduced deaths and infections for a significant period.

I suspect people in tier 1 are not convinced by the circuit breaker idea while us poor sods in tier 2 and 3 would find it preferable to strict restrictions with no end date.

RonaLisa
No, I know its here for the medium term at least but flattening the curve worked in Ireland during lockdown and we still have the same problem, how not to overload the hospitals. I'd have assumed lockdowns would be a regular thing (but I do sometimes over simply things in my head, I know there'sno easy answer)

My 12 yo laughs that we have all these rules for shops but they go out the window with schools and I change the subject cos what can you say?

Sorry - I didn't understand this on the first few readings, but I think I do now.

Your 12 yo is right. What's wrong is all these stupid rules about face masks, shops etc.

And yes it won’t make the virus go away. People are not stupid. They get that. What it would do is slow exponential growth so things could become under more control. We could then hopefully all go back to less restrictive arrangements again.

Nope

I would support it if I thought the public would comply, but I think everyone is sick to death of different rules every few days and people who should know better flouting the rules. It fell apart when the Dominic Cummings/Barnard Castle incident wasn’t dealt with. And with no working test and trace I query it’s value.

@Hyperfish101

It really didn’t achieve fuck all. What planet are you on??

It actually reduced deaths and infections for a significant period.

I suspect people in tier 1 are not convinced by the circuit breaker idea while us poor sods in tier 2 and 3 would find it preferable to strict restrictions with no end date.

It reduced them for a period. But where did everyone think this was going? It was bound to be a 'holding' measure.

I'm in Tier 2 (so what?? Giving it a name doesn't make it any more tolerable), and I'm completely fucked, come what may.

In Liverpool it’s almost a total lockdown anyway. I bet if you offered a 2 week circuit breaker then back to SD v what they have now they would take it.

And RonaLisa it is scary. I've had covid and it's all very well for people to say you wont be affected- I was, I'm still getting chest pains and having breathing issues. Yes I'm one of the unlucky tiny percentage but then someone has to be. I think of my child who has asthma having it and it floors me because I lay in bed trying to slow everything down and it was scary

Of course it was a holding measure. That was always the point! Who thought it wasn’t? It was simply to slow growth of the virus. Surely everyone knows that.

Yes. I dont want to catch the virus from my children at school. I am so scared.

@AlwaysLatte

I'm getting angrier and angrier at the restrictions now. I'm getting angrier and angrier that there aren't enough restrictions. Hundreds of people are dying every day again and that will turn into thousands once more if we don't do something to stop it. It's shocking how many people don't care about that.

This is what distresses me . No one seems to have people being very sick and dying as a priority . When did we become a society that cared so little for others ?

When did we become a society that cared so little for others ?

When it meant actually doing something about it ourselves and not just being able to outsource everyone else’s problems to somebody else sadly.

Yes I would. It is needed now.