Chris Whitty saying even tier 3 probably wont be enough to reduce the R

[KetoPenguin]

What do you think this means for areas in tier 3, total lockdown? How soon do you think this would happen and how likely is it for tier 2 areas to be upgraded to the same level? Do you think the much rumoured circuit breaker over half term is likely at least in these areas?

[quote Ecosse]@justasking111

They’re not slaves and no one is forcing people to become nurses and doctors. Many jobs have clauses in contracts stating that people can be temporarily moved elsewhere according to business need.

DH works in law and when he was a trainee solicitor, he went into the office on a Monday morning and was told by a partner to go home and pack as he’d be moving to the other end of the country for a month on the Thursday.

Clearly not all NHS staff are going to be able to transfer but many would be able to with the right support.

We cannot have a situation where some nurses have time to film tiktok videos and use up valuable PPE as happened in April while there is no one to staff a Nightingale.[/quote]
Their contract allows for them to be moved but within limits. Which aren’t that far.

But hey why deal with facts. Find an opinion, then gather misinformation to sustain it. Mr Trump knows his congregation.

Home guard!!!

Honestly, you’re clueless.

"I would also issue all staff with pin badges with the words ‘home guard’ to make it clear that they are our soldiers in this battle against coronavirus"

WOW! Get Ecosse into number 10 NOW, she has cracked the outbreak

[quote Ecosse]@QueenofmyPrinces

To be frank what my DH and I earn now is not really relevant. When DH was a trainee solicitor, trainees were not paid what they are now. He was probably on a similar salary to what nurses are now.

I would look to offer additional payment to NHS staff while they are working elsewhere. I would also issue all staff with pin badges with the words ‘home guard’ to make it clear that they are our soldiers in this battle against coronavirus.

Part of the reason China has dealt with this successfully is their army of mobile health staff. They are not even given a chance to say goodbye to their families and simply whisked across the country. No one is proposing that here.[/quote]
@Ecosse

Now I know you are just looking for reactions. Especially the bit about the Chinese health staff and the pins.

As an aside the fortune spend on "management consultants" with respect to track and trace in the UK seems to have been a total waste of money.

The reason why China are successful (I know people will doubt their stats, but I think with such a densely populated country with a gdp per capita lower than U.K., they have been effective in controlling the outbreaks) - is not just because of moving their healthcare workers about.

It was a holistic plan with many different facets (eg roadblocking, provision of rations, ensuring rules adhered to, mass testing rollout). Some v hard decisions that people would consider go against human rights, but I guess it is also increasing some people’s human rights (eg by stopping rapid spread, you have increased some people’s freedom to go out and right to life).

I suppose it is a balance everywhere between different rights and health v economy. but China of all places probably also looks very hard at impact on the economy and they seem to think strong, rapid reactions/reactions will be better long term for the economy.

Pondering ease of getting management consultant job.

@Namenic

The reason why China are successful (I know people will doubt their stats, but I think with such a densely populated country with a gdp per capita lower than U.K., they have been effective in controlling the outbreaks) - is not just because of moving their healthcare workers about.

It was a holistic plan with many different facets (eg roadblocking, provision of rations, ensuring rules adhered to, mass testing rollout). Some v hard decisions that people would consider go against human rights, but I guess it is also increasing some people’s human rights (eg by stopping rapid spread, you have increased some people’s freedom to go out and right to life).

I suppose it is a balance everywhere between different rights and health v economy. but China of all places probably also looks very hard at impact on the economy and they seem to think strong, rapid reactions/reactions will be better long term for the economy.

Yes, China's approach has been very successful. If we want to look to their strategy as a model we should firstly implement a complete lockdown with strict policing that dictates every aspect of our lives far above and beyond the lockdown we experienced in March. Surely that plays a much bigger role in their management than ability to move health staff around.

Seriously @Ecosse, you've gone too far with some of these suggestions. It's not even believable now.

Ecosse, why don't you offer to go to Nottingham or Manchester and volunteer to help? They might be able to find something for you to do?

You could make yourself a lovely volunteer badge.

If you don't fancy moving up there yourself, why should all these other people that you would like to commandeer?

I'm reasonably sure ecosse is on a windup. It's been explained to her at great length in a lot of threads now why it's a totally implausible idea, and would never work in the way she thinks it would.

I would look to offer additional payment to NHS staff while they are working elsewhere. I would also issue all staff with pin badges with the words ‘home guard’ to make it clear that they are our soldiers in this battle against coronavirus.

What additional payment?

And where are all these drafted nurses supposed to live?

And you didn’t answer my question which was, “So you think it’s ok for women to be forced to move away from their young children and for those children to just ‘suck it up’ when their mother gets sent away?”