Chris Whitty saying even tier 3 probably wont be enough to reduce the R

[KetoPenguin]

What do you think this means for areas in tier 3, total lockdown? How soon do you think this would happen and how likely is it for tier 2 areas to be upgraded to the same level? Do you think the much rumoured circuit breaker over half term is likely at least in these areas?

I suppose a few young free and single nurses might fancy a move to another hospital etc but many won't and why should they? It is a crazy idea.

The economy can't cope with a full lockdown, it looks as if it will have to be the greatest good for the greatest number. People are going to die, more than we've seen before. This is miserable for everyone.

[quote ColonSemiColon]@TrustTheGeneGenie My kids will never see their dad again. He’s dead. During lockdown. Fuck off pretending death is better than lockdown as you sit there with your live nuclear family, able to visit others in gardens. You’re in no fucking position to talk about empathy.[/quote]
I'm sorry for your loss, I genuinely am but don't tell me what I can and can't feel.

[quote Ecosse]@justasking111

To be frank location preference shouldn’t be a choice for NHS staff to make at the moment if they want to keep their jobs.[/quote]
My mouth dropped open at this. Nurses are not bloody slaves you know.

The ‘keep jobs’ comment is astounding rude. If you want any nurses to look after you/your intubated friend/ relative - don’t post rubbish like this.
Astounding several posters also agreed.
With backlog of AL to take, many could resign, not work another shift and still be owed pay.
Ridiculous comments aren’t going to encourage staff already at breaking point to stay. It must be very tempting to take time away from this crap.

@justasking111

They’re not slaves and no one is forcing people to become nurses and doctors. Many jobs have clauses in contracts stating that people can be temporarily moved elsewhere according to business need.

DH works in law and when he was a trainee solicitor, he went into the office on a Monday morning and was told by a partner to go home and pack as he’d be moving to the other end of the country for a month on the Thursday.

Clearly not all NHS staff are going to be able to transfer but many would be able to with the right support.

We cannot have a situation where some nurses have time to film tiktok videos and use up valuable PPE as happened in April while there is no one to staff a Nightingale.

What do you do @ecosse

Your posts are laughable but astoundingly rude.

[quote Ecosse]@justasking111

They’re not slaves and no one is forcing people to become nurses and doctors. Many jobs have clauses in contracts stating that people can be temporarily moved elsewhere according to business need.

DH works in law and when he was a trainee solicitor, he went into the office on a Monday morning and was told by a partner to go home and pack as he’d be moving to the other end of the country for a month on the Thursday.

Clearly not all NHS staff are going to be able to transfer but many would be able to with the right support.

We cannot have a situation where some nurses have time to film tiktok videos and use up valuable PPE as happened in April while there is no one to staff a Nightingale.[/quote]
Oh the tik tok tosh. You have no idea of gallows humour in the profession then. Nightingale hospitals are the last chance saloon one bloody big nursing home where there is a much lower chance of survival. I would be praying no-one ever ends up in one.

@Pomegranatespompom

I’m a management consultant. Prior to March, myself and my colleagues would Hebe been on the road across Europe for at least 2 weeks every month. It’s part of the job and we got on with it.

Oil workers spend up to half of the year away from their families offshore.

I’m not asking NHS staff to do anything that millions of others don’t do.

From much earlier in the thread (not to me, to another poster). "Why are cancer diagnoses being missed, postponed and cancelled at the moment? You seem to be well versed in the subject so please explain."

My DM died of cancer in the summer. It was diagnosed during lockdown. The diagnosis was delayed by a month because her biopsy was cancelled twice. The original scan (that led to the biopsy) was also postponed and she had a letter after it saying that the hospital weren't going to follow up apparently normal results. She only had the biopsy because her GP pressed. That part might have happened anyway, I don't know, but the delays were definitely due to Covid. Her symptoms began in January.

By the time the biopsy came back showing a rare and very rapidly spreading type of serous carcinoma, the NHS were only operating on patients where there was a good chance of being able to effect a total cure, i.e. where the cancer hadn't spread. In normal times, she would have been operated on. She died 6 weeks later, more quickly than we thought, but I think just gave up once she knew that the system had given on her. She was 70.

It’s not up to you to ask anyone thankfully.
Travelling was part of your job and others, it’s not for nhs workers on the whole. People are making enormous sacrifices, perhaps show some empathy.

I'm so sorry @hopsalong

Has anyone watched the latest series of What We Do In The Shadows? Certain posters remind me so much of Colin Robinson in the internet episode. Every time they post, I just imagine him sat on his laptop, draining emotional energy from a distance.

Sorry hopsalong, that must have been terrible for you all. I absolutely wasn’t aiming my post at you by the way.

So sorry for your loss @hopsalong

You could advertise and pay very handsomely for healthcare staff to move. That’s about it. It’s a female dominated profession, so are the ‘childcare’ costs to move the kids with them or pay for nannies - what would be covered?

Also laughing at the moving staff from Truro. That’s a small hospital in Cornwall. Most of the U.K. peripheries struggle to recruit staff and many are understaffed in some specialities. But apparently staff there are twiddling their thumbs and could be moved elsewhere and that would be fine.

Ecosse - if no one forces people to be nurses and docs then with your rules lots will leave. There is a reasonable number of private sector jobs or jobs abroad they could do (not just clinical) and I’m sure private healthcare would boom under your regs...

@Ecosse

I honestly think you must be trolling now, as you have mentioned this on various threads and always receive an enormous reaction. Is that all you are looking for?

I also have a friend who works in big law. She knew the specifics of the travel requirements when she applied and took the position. She also get paid very well to do so. You obviously cannot compare that to NHS workers who did not sign on to travel and who, frankly, don't even get paid enough for what they do at their own local hospitals.

As has also been pointed out to you before, there is a national shortage of healthcare workers, there will be no one sitting around doing nothing, especially not in winter during a global pandemic, that is laughable.

But you knew that, didn't you?

Can’t believe the suggestion of nurses being forced to move around the country to work in high risk Covid hospitals.

Why should they?

I imagine a lot of nurses have children....what about them?

Do you really think it’s ok for mothers to be forced to move away from their children?

And you think it’s ok for young children to have to deal with their mother being taken away from them?

That sounds lovely.

As a nurse, if someone told me I had to move away from my family, especially my young children, to go and live in a city I didn’t know, where I didn’t know anyone, to work in a hospital I didn’t know, to care for patients and deal with equipment that I’ve had no experience in then I would absolutely resign. As would most nurses I imagine.

As another poster said, the NHS needs nurses and forcing them to do the above will not work in their favour.

Ecosse - you could also retrain as an hca, doc, nurse, dietician, SALT, physio as your mobility would be a plus.

Conscription is an answer, but unless you want to force people to do it, many will leave.

I guess you can conscript people to training for it - but it would probably would be prohibitively expensive. If you are doing that, then maybe also requisition private testing facilities and uni labs and conscript people to increase testing capacity. Make people work on farms so you can shut borders to prevent spread and lay fast internet cable.

I’m a management consultant. Prior to March, myself and my colleagues would Hebe been on the road across Europe for at least 2 weeks every month. It’s part of the job and we got on with it

Staying in top hotels, eating out in 4* plus restaurants & earning 150k (at least) p.a.
Same for your other half, maybe on double the salary.

You d have a queue a mile long if you offer nurses the same!

[quote Ecosse]@Pomegranatespompom

I’m a management consultant. Prior to March, myself and my colleagues would Hebe been on the road across Europe for at least 2 weeks every month. It’s part of the job and we got on with it.

Oil workers spend up to half of the year away from their families offshore.

I’m not asking NHS staff to do anything that millions of others don’t do.[/quote]
And the difference in pay between management consultants/oil workers and nurses is...?

Management consultants get their travel and accommodation paid for. How is the NHS going to find and fund accommodation for any nurses they want to move around?

You're being ridiculous with your comparison. Not to mention that consultants and oil workers go into those jobs knowing they'll be moving around, and have their lives and living arrangements planned around it.

I’m wondering if ecosee is Dido Harding (or a wannabe).

I’m a management consultant. Prior to March, myself and my colleagues would Hebe been on the road across Europe for at least 2 weeks every month. It’s part of the job and we got on with it. Oil workers spend up to half of the year away from their families offshore. I’m not asking NHS staff to do anything that millions of others don’t do.

Response:

Staying in top hotels, eating out in 4 plus restaurants & earning 150k (at least) p.a.
Same for your other half, maybe on double the salary. You’d have a queue a mile long if you offer nurses the same!*

And the difference in pay between management consultants/oil workers and nurses is? Management consultants get their travel and accommodation paid for. How is the NHS going to find and fund accommodation for any nurses they want to move around? You're being ridiculous with your comparison. Not to mention that consultants and oil workers go into those jobs knowing they'll be moving around, and have their lives and living arrangements planned around it.

Well said to both responses.

NHS workers didn’t get any recognition except a clap for the horrendous working conditions they were faced with during the peak.

And now people think it’s acceptable for them to be sent away from their home and families and just to “get on with it”?

I honestly can’t believe the disdain some people have towards NHS workers. Some people’s attitudes leave my Gob Smacked at times.

@QueenofmyPrinces

To be frank what my DH and I earn now is not really relevant. When DH was a trainee solicitor, trainees were not paid what they are now. He was probably on a similar salary to what nurses are now.

I would look to offer additional payment to NHS staff while they are working elsewhere. I would also issue all staff with pin badges with the words ‘home guard’ to make it clear that they are our soldiers in this battle against coronavirus.

Part of the reason China has dealt with this successfully is their army of mobile health staff. They are not even given a chance to say goodbye to their families and simply whisked across the country. No one is proposing that here.