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Chris Whitty saying even tier 3 probably wont be enough to reduce the R

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KetoPenguin · 12/10/2020 21:53

What do you think this means for areas in tier 3, total lockdown? How soon do you think this would happen and how likely is it for tier 2 areas to be upgraded to the same level? Do you think the much rumoured circuit breaker over half term is likely at least in these areas?

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toxtethOgradyUSA · 13/10/2020 13:57

A lot of people on here seem quick to defend Whitty. Yet he has allowed himself to be used by this Government for their own political ends for the past 6 months. If the guy had any principles he would have told Johnson months ago he wanted no further involvement with their lying, deceptive shit-show. It's all about jobs, careers for people like him.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 13/10/2020 14:01

@toxtethOgradyUSA

He hasn't been 'used', he has done his job. Provided the facts and the evidence as they've said repeatedly.

I have huge respect for Whitty, Vallance and the other experts that present the graphs and answer questions. So calm and professional.

justasking111 · 13/10/2020 14:02

Remember back in March, do not bother 111, hospital unless lips turn blue, etc. well this is going on in uni halls, homes. Luckily the young are somewhat hardier.

Chickenandrice · 13/10/2020 14:11

Yes justasking it is dreadful and scary position to be in

Snowmonster · 13/10/2020 14:25

What happened to the flagship covid hospitals that were built/staffed/opened and hardly used?
Why aren't covid patients going to these hospitals to free up beds in general hospitals? Does anybody know what the answer is?

The80sweregreat · 13/10/2020 14:26

I agree that if Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Valence are so unhappy about the direction of these latest tiers , they should resign or just step aside. Why hang around if your just being ignored?

Pomegranatespompom · 13/10/2020 14:36

Because we’d be in a worse position if they left.
Boris and co don’t really give a stuff. Covid is an inconvenience to them.

Pomegranatespompom · 13/10/2020 14:37

I guess they hope they give some influence.

The80sweregreat · 13/10/2020 14:40

I agree this is a huge inconvenience to the government when it was meant to be 'Brexit year. ' The hit to the economy is huge. They must hate that it's happened on their watch too as nobody to blame for any of this ( they can't say it's ' the last labour government's fault , can they?)
They are not even speaking out against China. It's all very grim.

HerLadySheep · 13/10/2020 14:47

@Snowmonster

What happened to the flagship covid hospitals that were built/staffed/opened and hardly used? Why aren't covid patients going to these hospitals to free up beds in general hospitals? Does anybody know what the answer is?

They were never staffed, there are not enough Doctors and Nurses available to staff them, if a hospital wanted to transfer a patient to one of these Nightingale Hospitals they also had to send someone to nurse them. They are also not equipped to deal with high dependency patients, they are huge exhibition halls with beds in. The NEC one is equipped with a massive mortuary though.

Ecosse · 13/10/2020 14:54

It should absolutely be possible for NHS staff to be moved where they’re needed around the country, including to staff Nightingales.

This contract condition should be imposed as a matter of urgency to ensure we don’t have nurses sitting idle in Truro (as they are currently) who could be staffing Manchester nightingale.

Of course the government should fund all necessary childcare and accommodation costs.

Pomegranatespompom · 13/10/2020 14:59

Fgs @Ecosse that expectation is unrealistic and people will resign.

PhilCornwall1 · 13/10/2020 15:19

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

He is not an expert in economics,

Doesn’t he have a qualification in economics?

postgraduate training in Epidemiology, Economics and Medical Law.

PhilCornwall1 · 13/10/2020 15:24

*RafaIsTheKingOfClay
He is not an expert in economics,

Doesn’t he have a qualification in economics?
postgraduate training in Epidemiology, Economics and Medical Law.*

To qualify that, an MBA and DipEcon in Economics.

So I'd say he understands the economy pretty well.

justasking111 · 13/10/2020 15:25

@Ecosse

It should absolutely be possible for NHS staff to be moved where they’re needed around the country, including to staff Nightingales.

This contract condition should be imposed as a matter of urgency to ensure we don’t have nurses sitting idle in Truro (as they are currently) who could be staffing Manchester nightingale.

Of course the government should fund all necessary childcare and accommodation costs.

Well yes they could be moved from Truro to wherever to staff nightingales but do they want to move, they signed up to work within their own health board not some random one at the other end of the country.

ColonSemiColon · 13/10/2020 15:29

I think there is some expectation that the nightingale hospitals might be easier to staff now that the approach is early hospitalisation and oxygen, which requires fewer staff than ventilation. Not sure how much difference it will make, but maybe some.

Ecosse · 13/10/2020 15:49

@justasking111

To be frank location preference shouldn’t be a choice for NHS staff to make at the moment if they want to keep their jobs.

PhilCornwall1 · 13/10/2020 16:01

[quote Ecosse]@justasking111

To be frank location preference shouldn’t be a choice for NHS staff to make at the moment if they want to keep their jobs.[/quote]
Agreed. They must go where there is a requirement. Many haven't been able to pick and choose what happens to them, so the same applies.

AgainstTheCurrent · 13/10/2020 16:05

To be frank location preference shouldn’t be a choice for NHS staff to make at the moment if they want to keep their jobs.

But what about the practicalities? What if they are a signal parent and rely on local childcare? Do they move the children with them? Are they put into accommodation and provided childcare? What if a high percentage say stuff it and leave, then who does the nursing?

I don't necessarily disagree but in reality how would it actually work

herecomesthsun · 13/10/2020 16:07

Weird bonkers ideas about moving staff around.

Agency staff yes maybe, that is what they do.

janetmendoza · 13/10/2020 16:19

Are you aware no one can be forced to work in the nhs?? Any nurse or other professional that is pissed about by the sort of bizarre edicts you're suggesting could walk out of the job and get another tomorrow. There are about 50000 nursing vacancies in the nhs. No nurse needs 'keep her job' - the nhs needs to keep their nurses.

Pomegranatespompom · 13/10/2020 16:20

Thankfully decisions about nhs staff won’t be made by posters on here. It’s quite frankly one of the most selfish idiotic things I have ever seen and would cause huge vacancies. Most nhs staff only need to work 4 weeks notice. There’s a limit to mow much staff can tolerate.

Pomegranatespompom · 13/10/2020 16:22

To quote (sort of) a teacher on another thread, you need nurses more than than a lot need to work.

MiniTheMinx · 13/10/2020 16:45

Ecosse, not this crazy argument again. Lots of vacancies for nursing assistants, perhaps you could sign up and do your bit.

knittingaddict · 13/10/2020 16:47

It's hilarious that many of the same people who were moaning on here about human rights and civil liberties now seem to think it's ok to force medical staff to move around the country to treat the sick.

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