Chris Whitty saying even tier 3 probably wont be enough to reduce the R

[KetoPenguin]

What do you think this means for areas in tier 3, total lockdown? How soon do you think this would happen and how likely is it for tier 2 areas to be upgraded to the same level? Do you think the much rumoured circuit breaker over half term is likely at least in these areas?

He said the very base restrictions won’t be enough. So as well as closing pubs we might see other things closing such as hairdressers, gyms etc. It was made clear in parliament today that we can’t afford another national lockdown. Without a functioning economy there’s no money for essential services such as the nhs.

Tier 2 is the same restrictions these places had anymore near enough. The tier 3 measures on top are absolutely useless. The big takeaway was 'pubs will shut' without evidence pubs have caused spikes, but it turns out they're safe enough to let Wetherspoons et al stay open.

The main driver of the second wave up north has been the return of universities to halls of residence from the start of September.

Of course the tier 3 measures will make no difference. Like it or not when cases get out of hand the only way to slow the curve is a lockdown (local or otherwise). The key is to have effective testing and trace systems in place so cases don't get out of hand to begin with.

The main driver of the second wave up north has been the return of universities to halls of residence from the start of September.

So why are all Tier 2 and 3 areas to the north of Birmingham? Have no students moved into halls to the south of a Birmingham?

Genuine question, but surely if it’s students, it would be nationwide?

Or does Boris only want to further lockdown the Midlands and North, regardless?

I don't understand why they don't have a tier for full lockdown even if they don't put anyone in it now and it's a last resort.

What does Chris whitty expect us to do then? Lock down harder, come out, cases rise, go back in, come back out, do the fucking lockdown hokey cokey?

For an intelligent man in my opinion he's making himself look very thick right about now. He doesn't have a plan other than argh high numbers we look bad lock down!

So the plan is to get local councils to impose tougher restrictions on top of the Tier 3 ones, that's passing the buck isn't it ?

SAGE has just published a report that stated that they wanted todays measures implemented on the 21st September.

Yes it seems unfair on local councils to have to make the decision. Of course they should have some input but no-one is going to like it if their business gets told to close.

Chris Whitty’s job is not to make the plans. The government’s job is to make the plans. They ask him, he advises them of facts related to Covid.

The trouble is that the economy, schools etc is a whole different ball game, and there’s nobody bright enough to actually work out a system for doing the least harm whilst keeping infection rates down. Chris Whitt’s knows that shutting everything down will do it, that’s what he’ll have told the govt if asked that question.

Stay in if you can, wear a mask if you can’t: we have to accept it’s in our hands now because the government isn’t up to the job. I’m just staying in. I can so I am.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

What does Chris whitty expect us to do then? Lock down harder, come out, cases rise, go back in, come back out, do the fucking lockdown hokey cokey?

For an intelligent man in my opinion he's making himself look very thick right about now. He doesn't have a plan other than argh high numbers we look bad lock down!

Yes I am thinking this too. Wtf else does he expect can happen. If you shut everything down and it still doesn’t get on top of it what else is there to do but admit defeat

Chris Whitty saying even tier 3 probably wont be enough to reduce the R

He would say that though wouldn't he? It's called covering your arse.

@nibdedibble

Chris Whitty’s job is not to make the plans. The government’s job is to make the plans. They ask him, he advises them of facts related to Covid.

The trouble is that the economy, schools etc is a whole different ball game, and there’s nobody bright enough to actually work out a system for doing the least harm whilst keeping infection rates down. Chris Whitt’s knows that shutting everything down will do it, that’s what he’ll have told the govt if asked that question.

Stay in if you can, wear a mask if you can’t: we have to accept it’s in our hands now because the government isn’t up to the job. I’m just staying in. I can so I am.

They need to stop letting him address the public, then. If all he does is advise the pm then why do they keep wheeling him out with his bullshit graphs?

This is the issue he doesn't care about the wider issues because as you say he is only paid to care about covid. But that doesn't make for a balanced or efficient reaction. He doesn't care if his measures mean that more people die of cancer, more children to hungry or more women are abused. There needs to be input from all sides not just bloody sage who only focus on one element of this massive shit show. It's a total joke and then they blame the public for misbehaving. The people misbehaving are the overpaid cretins who are telling us we all did bad things and will now be punished.

Obviously they are taking all opinions into account but I don't think No 10 would have him in press conference if they meant to totally ignore his advice in every way.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Can you explain how minimizing the number of covid hospitalizations will lead to people dying of cancer?

@TrustTheGeneGenie

I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what me and DH have been saying all along. We are being held to ransom by someone who only cares about figures and graphs.

@Sophiesdog2020

The main driver of the second wave up north has been the return of universities to halls of residence from the start of September.

So why are all Tier 2 and 3 areas to the north of Birmingham? Have no students moved into halls to the south of a Birmingham?

Genuine question, but surely if it’s students, it would be nationwide?

Or does Boris only want to further lockdown the Midlands and North, regardless?

I think because Covid was more widespread in the community through August in the north west particularly, but manageable as it was mainly among younger people and less testing etc. Then the schools go back and the university students turn up in their thousands and cases go through the roof from there very quickly.

They never properly cleared the first wave.

I don't know how things are further south. There's probably better testing facilities and preventative measures at Oxbridge or Eton for example. Cases are rising further south but they're behind the north.

@KetoPenguin

Obviously they are taking all opinions into account but I don't think No 10 would have him in press conference if they meant to totally ignore his advice in every way.

They're obviously not taking all opinions into account though are they!

They can take his advice on covid but they also need to take advice on what harm taking his advice will cause.

He should not be addressing the public.

Professor Doom and Gloom at it again.

Is tier 3 lockdown then? So if lockdown doesn't work, what does?

I think it's a fair question.

The answer to most of this should be testing not just randomly closing things down.
At the moment if my Dd tests positive school sends home kids that she was near - those kids don’t get tested & their family does not need to isolate.
With a proper testing system all of those kids should be tested, if positive their family & other contacts should be tested.
Every positive result should escalate tests for their contacts, and their contacts & so on - not just isolation for some of the household.
I understand this would be expensive & would require greater availability of tests but it’s a much better way of doing it.

[quote Redolent]@TrustTheGeneGenie

Can you explain how minimizing the number of covid hospitalizations will lead to people dying of cancer?[/quote]
Please don't blatantly misunderstand. You know exactly why cancer diagnoses are being missed, postponed, cancelled. Oh and btw our area has been in the equivalent of tier 2 restrictions for over 2 months and fuck all has changed. Do you really believe this will help? If you do more fool you honestly.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

What does Chris whitty expect us to do then? Lock down harder, come out, cases rise, go back in, come back out, do the fucking lockdown hokey cokey?

For an intelligent man in my opinion he's making himself look very thick right about now. He doesn't have a plan other than argh high numbers we look bad lock down!

lockdown Hokey Cokey That’s the best description I’ve read

Reading between the lines, I got the impression that Chris Whittey feels the measures are too little, implemented way too late (again) to avoid a national lockdown.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Why are cancer diagnoses being missed, postponed and cancelled at the moment? You seem to be well versed in the subject so please explain.

Whitty made it clear If Tier 3 doesn't work, then local health authorities will have to take further measures.

He has truly sold himself to Johnson.

[quote Redolent]@TrustTheGeneGenie

Why are cancer diagnoses being missed, postponed and cancelled at the moment? You seem to be well versed in the subject so please explain.[/quote]
Because some hospitals still aren't seeing people?? You know because they were told to stop seeing people by the government!