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Johnathan Van Tan is provided an update from Downing Street. Not looking good.

But you've been abroad when so many have chosen to sacrifice their holiday plans or travelling to see family, you have gone to another country and come into contact with lord knows how many people on your journey. It's hypocritical for you to slate people for seeing friends.

Precisely.

The other one I forgot is lack of social distancing with strangers in shops and on the street.

Young people are big with a good, careful, respectful distance, older people right up your back, stood right next to you at the supermarket, squeezing past etc.

It's very, very noticable. Perhaps they don't realise, but they're doing it and I doubt young people have not noticed. This will feed into decisions to keep seeing friends rather than shut themselves away.

@Roussette

And what I'm seeing on a daily basis is young people being very conscientious around careful hand sanitizing and mask usage and the elderly being the bigger flouters of both

Totally disagree, round here completely the opposite.

We are 'elderly', came back from abroad, I'm on day 13 of 14 quarantine and haven't set foot outside the door.
We are very careful and follow all the rules, all the guidance and basically work hard at not passing anything on to anyone.
When I go out shopping, every single older person is masked up.

My neighbours with teens/twenties ... well, you wouldn't know there had been a lockdown, they just carried on with life as normal. They'vve had lots of young people round from day one

Lucky you being able to go abroad. As a worker I’m not allowed to go away and then quarantine. I’ve not had a holiday this year, Perhaps “those” “youngsters” next door are cabin crew, Tesco delivery drivers/pickers, shop staff, bus drivers, Just going to school, have exams next week, perhaps their parents are also workers etc etc.

You just enjoy your holidays and quarantine and expect the youngsters to support you ensuring the shops and services are still running.

But you've been abroad when so many have chosen to sacrifice their holiday plans or travelling to see family, you have gone to another country and come into contact with lord knows how many people on your journey. It's hypocritical for you to slate people for seeing friends.

Absolutely agree @onedayinthefuture

I laughed out loud at @Roussette 's post. Censure of others when they have been overseas in some sort of travelling petri dish. Self isolating after the event doesn't detract from the hypocrisy

Round here younger people seem to be complying, but it's older people who are less likely, in particular noses poking out over masks or wearing mask on their chin, eg on public transport. This is predominantly men for some reason.

But you've been abroad when so many have chosen to sacrifice their holiday plans or travelling to see family, you have gone to another country and come into contact with lord knows how many people on your journey. It's hypocritical for you to slate people for seeing friends

No. Can't be bothered to go into details which will out me. But no.

Thanks, @Inkpaperstars - appreciated

I find van Tam impressive

We are 'elderly', came back from abroad, I'm on day 13 of 14 quarantine and haven't set foot outside the door.

This is so hypocritical 🤣

@Belle0705

*We are 'elderly', came back from abroad, I'm on day 13 of 14 quarantine and haven't set foot outside the door.*

This is so hypocritical 🤣

Why it's within the rules?

Not at all the same as failing to maintain distance/ comply with mask wearing unless there is a disability.

Nice bit of elderly bashing going on here today. Not good.

Ah, the public turn on each other. Perfect. Old against Young. North against South. Fantastic.

@Aridane

Thanks, *@Inkpaperstars* - appreciated

I find van Tam impressive

Me too. Could he stage a coup?

@TheUnwindingCableCar

Go out partying this week.

Go to your grandmas funeral 2-3 weeks later.

Fun.

Unless those are two unconnected events you clearly have no idea about how transmission works and what the timescales involved are. What point are you making?

no one on here has any idea why we had to go abroad, how we got there and back, what we did whilst there and on our return.
Take it how you like. I won't be responding.

You just enjoy your holidays

How do you know it was for a holiday?

Having the public turn on each other is very convenient for the government.

If they'd got a competent test and trace service in place we'd have been close to normal life by now and could have been until there was a vaccine.

Continuous compliance with lockdowns is not feasible. You can close the pubs, fine, but people will not stop seeing family and that is where a lot of the spread is going to happen.

They need an alternative solution, and quickly.

They'll have no choice but to comply if pubs are shut down. They simply won't be open. That's what is needed now. Some enforcement. If they don't have the police/council resources, then they need to close things down. Pubs being forced to close is easy to enforce. That leaves police/council officers free to spend time enforcing private parties etc.

People will have no choice but to comply with not going into venues that are shut. They will, however, have a choice to socialise in private homes and this is what is going to happen. It would be very naive to imagine that there are sufficient resources to prevent the population doing this if they wish to, particularly if people have the sense to do so in small groups rather than large gatherings that are going to be immediately visible as such to anyone passing. No, the only way for this to be prevented would be if people were brought back onside, bought back into the reason for regulations, like in spring. I am not sure if that's even possible.

Nice bit of elderly bashing going on here today. Not good

Agreed.
Apparently it's all the fault of the elderly.

Apparently it's all the fault of the elderly.

Hardly, plenty blaming the young too.

Neither is helpful. Blame the government and their incompetence.

Hospital admissions R high. If you break your leg you are screened on admission. If you test positive you are a statistic of 'in hospital with covid'

@Ryerossy

A 50 year old with diabetes is still overwhelmingly likely to survive the illness

Not according to all of the 'Covid years' type assessments.

I'm 51, T2 diabetic & from that 'obese' It puts me into the 80+ age group.

Do it would be nice to not be continually dismissed as being 'ridiculous' (not saying you said that, but it's the prevailing MN thinking).

Breaking people down through gear, turning groups against each other, turning people against people so you get so broken down by this your begging for a vaccine to get back to some semblance of normal life.

Testing isn't even 100% accurate so many false positive, reports of people saying they been told they have had a test when they never did. Yet look how they are using these numbers.

You will submit you will comply!

@Roussette

Nice bit of elderly bashing going on here today. Not good

Agreed.
Apparently it's all the fault of the elderly.

Uni students have been vilified and quite literally locked away in their tiny accommodations.

It isn't the elderly who are being officially held at fault and feeling the profound consequences of that judgement.

And yes to the PP re: wearing masks under nose, inside. This is so common. Why do they do this? Just take it off and be done with the pretence.

I think if measures were presented as long term and sustainable then more people would comply. There is genuine confusion for many as to what is and isn’t allowed because it changes so frequently. It would help if those in power followed their own rules too.

I live in a local lockdown area and I cannot see my mum who lives 200 miles away on her own after being widowed in March. I saw her when we were allowed support bubbles, haven’t seen her since new restrictions. The risk to her mental health is more worrying to me than COVID presently. I know young, healthy people who have had it bad too and have long COVID, it terrifies me. I’m a stickler to the rules but if lockdowns are still in place at Christmas I will be breaking them. She is not spending Christmas on her own.

We will be fighting this virus for a long time. We need to do that without sacrificing every other aspect of our health.

@cyclingmad

Breaking people down through gear, turning groups against each other, turning people against people so you get so broken down by this your begging for a vaccine to get back to some semblance of normal life.

Testing isn't even 100% accurate so many false positive, reports of people saying they been told they have had a test when they never did. Yet look how they are using these numbers.

You will submit you will comply!

You're ignoring the facts that hospital admissions, ICU bed occupancy, and deaths, are all rising.

Hospital admissions R high. If you break your leg you are screened on admission. If you test positive you are a statistic of 'in hospital with covid'

Precisely, if that's what is being tracked and decisions made from it, surely it should be a tally of those who are either bring admitted with Covid, or are requiring treatment for covid even if they were in for something else. Those who are asymptomatic and happen to be tested just as they test everyone shouldn't be counted imo, someone with a broken leg with zero symptoms is not indicative of those who are in hospital because of the severity of their covid symptoms.

Need to stop blaming any group. We all have old and young examples. It’s what the Govt wants us to do and not question them!