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Jenasaurus · 12/10/2020 11:13

Johnathan Van Tan is provided an update from Downing Street. Not looking good.

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MJMG2015 · 12/10/2020 11:55

@TheUnwindingCableCar

Maybe people will start to bloody listen now and take some personal responsibility.

No the general public can't be blamed 100% for the spread but everyone can take some personal responsibility and do why they can to help get this under control.

It's like when they say they will make an announcement on the Monday and everyone says "oh now people will go out for one last night out" And the government get blamed.

Why? Why can't those people think well you know what, we should probably start to rein it in a bit right now and see what they announce on Monday instead of going out and not caring about anyone else.

You can live in hope, but sadly I'm not optimistic. People who ignored the rules the first time & didn't get it, will feel justified in ignoring it again. Those who did get it either aren't here to tell the truth or are being ignored.

I don't understand the mentality of the people trying to squeeze everything in before the announcement either.

Ridiculous idiots!!

@Aridane @Jenasaurus. Thank you. I had LBC on, it's unusual for them not to go to live broadcasts. & thanks for the details fir the notifications.

AlohaMolly · 12/10/2020 11:55

@JamSarnie

Hmmm there is a trend here.

Before the first restrictions you got them giving you the worse case scenarios and trying to up everyone's fear and anxiety.

Just before the restrictions were relaxed it was all about 'the majority will have minor symptoms or none at all' so get back to work and eat out to help out.

Now we are back to the upping of fear and anxiety with apocalypse predictions.

And they wonder why they have lost a lot of people on this.

I agree.

On top of that, 15th October was set as a date for a brexit progress report from Boris. I don’t doubt the severity of covid, but if you want to bury bad news —like a no deal brexit— it is a bit of a gift horse isn’t it?

They are also deciding on food standards in the event of a no deal brexit this week I believe.

Devlesko · 12/10/2020 11:55

A load are in for other things and not ill with Corona. They're just picking them up now because they test all new admissions. Don't think they were doing that before the first lockdown?

This is what I've been told by friends family and associates. One of them is a heart specialist, deployed on covid wards. He moved around various hospitals in March. He only has his usual heart patients, no covid.

BaldricksCoffee · 12/10/2020 11:56

@BrazenlyDefying

responsibility on every citizen to defeat this virus and get under control.

Fucking ridiculous. It's a FUCKING VIRUS. I haven't the power to defeat it, because I am not fucking wonder woman. And neither has anyone else. This whole pushing the responsibility for managing it onto the general public? Just no. Yes we should be taking responsibility for our own actions just as we always should do. But if things run out of control that's not my "fault". All the looking to blame, point fingers, shame the "covidiots" and the fecking Covid Marshalls makes me sick.

This is nobody's fault.

That's as may be, but presumably you are a functioning adult who can wash your hands and wear a mask, surely?
ajandjjmum · 12/10/2020 11:56

@TheUnwindingCableCar

Maybe people will start to bloody listen now and take some personal responsibility.

No the general public can't be blamed 100% for the spread but everyone can take some personal responsibility and do why they can to help get this under control.

It's like when they say they will make an announcement on the Monday and everyone says "oh now people will go out for one last night out" And the government get blamed.

Why? Why can't those people think well you know what, we should probably start to rein it in a bit right now and see what they announce on Monday instead of going out and not caring about anyone else.

Wish I could 'like' this post.
Dita73 · 12/10/2020 11:56

Those face masks are clearly working bloody wonders aren’t they 🙄

PicsInRed · 12/10/2020 11:56

Maybe people will start to bloody listen now and take some personal responsibility.

I thought we were all doing that when we were "eating out to help out", heading bravely off to uni after a totally shite final year, paying for UK mini breaks, patronising local shops, and returning to the office to sustain the city centres.

Now we're all a bunch of ignorant, selfish virus spreaders. "Meh" is all I have left.

NoGoodPunsLeft · 12/10/2020 11:59

@Dita73

Those face masks are clearly working bloody wonders aren’t they 🙄
But you don't know how much worse it would be without them
TheUnwindingCableCar · 12/10/2020 11:59

Face masks would help if people wore them properly and also still socially distanced themselves. Some seem to think the mask means they can get up in your face again.

PicsInRed · 12/10/2020 11:59

It's all our fault. Hmm

Downing Street is live now
Seriouslymole · 12/10/2020 12:00

Yes @AlohaMolly - I totally agree that this is burying bad news.

I hate this ramping up the fear thing that goes on. It's just so disingenuous.

BrazenlyDefying · 12/10/2020 12:00

That's as may be, but presumably you are a functioning adult who can wash your hands and wear a mask, surely?

Functioning adult yes. Minimising social contact yes. Washing my hands yes. Wearing a mask no, because I'm exempt.

But that's me. What everyone else does I cannot control. This whole "collective responsibility" gives carte blanche to the vigilantes to screech at people not wearing masks, or "shame" people who they feel are breaking their roolz.

Ryerossy · 12/10/2020 12:00

Honestly I think they've lost the general public on this. It was completely different in March because some people (not me, I hasten to add), really believed it would be a 12 week thing to defeat an extremely dangerous virus and the sacrifice would be worth it because then everything would go back to normal. People were generally extremely frightened.

Since then, people have not only realised this is going to be a long term thing, until we have a vaccine, and possibly even longer than that, but they've also realised that it isn't as dangerous as they were originally lead to believe. You only have to look at the data to see that, vulnerabilities or not, the major overwhelming risk factor, beyond anything else, is age. Specifically, being 80 plus.

That's not to say the over eighties don't matter. They obviously do. But for most people altruism towards others they don't know will only go so far.

There's a lot of hyperbole around when people are like "what about diabetics? Or BAME people? etc" but even accounting for those vulnerabilities, the biggest vulnerability by a million miles is age. A 50 year old with diabetes is still overwhelmingly likely to survive the illness.

I'm not debating the rights or wrongs of this. But people know these things now, and they didn't before. The fear simply isn't there like it was in March.

They need to get their test and trace system shit hot, very quickly, because they cannot rely on the general public's compliance any more.

CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 12/10/2020 12:00

@Marcellemouse

A load are in for other things and not ill with Corona. They're just picking them up now because they test all new admissions. Don't think they were doing that before the first lockdown?
I was admitted to hospital in April for a non covid condition and was tested, so think they were testing all new admissions at that time .
Roussette · 12/10/2020 12:01

It's so depressing and I feel so much for those that have lost loved ones.

I just wish some people were more careful, I don't understand what's going on in their heads, crowds of people outside the pubs at 10pm, no masks, no social distancing. It's not about them it's about who they pass it on to. They make me angry. Very.

TheUnwindingCableCar · 12/10/2020 12:02

There was nothing wrong with eat out to help out when people did it while following social distancing guidelines too.

Plus, that was obviously done to get some money in the businesses pockets because the government, and anyone who was actually watching, could see this was going to happen and restaurants would have to shut again.

TheUnwindingCableCar · 12/10/2020 12:03

It's really not that hard for people to not go out in groups and keep a distance.

Or at least it shouldn't be that hard but here we are.

PicsInRed · 12/10/2020 12:05

@TheUnwindingCableCar

There was nothing wrong with eat out to help out when people did it while following social distancing guidelines too.

Plus, that was obviously done to get some money in the businesses pockets because the government, and anyone who was actually watching, could see this was going to happen and restaurants would have to shut again.

If it was fine then, with social distancing, it's fine now, with social distancing.

But then we all - including the scientists - know that the spread isn't in these socially distanced situations and that this is a giant pile of infection control theatre.

Ryerossy · 12/10/2020 12:06

It's not about them it's about who they pass it on to

Again, people's altruism towards others they don't know is not going to last for an indefinite period of time.

If I'm a 19 year old student, and my grandparents are dead, and my parents are both in their fifties with no underlying health conditions, and I have no friends or close relatives who are otherwise vulnerable, do you think I can be expected to effectively put my life on hold for an unspecified period of time, in order to avoid giving the virus to someone I don't know and have no emotional attachment to?

That's not me, btw, but I imagine it's how a lot of younger people (and others) are thinking right now.

puffinsseagulls · 12/10/2020 12:06

I think people were prepared to do the previous lockdown because we believed it would give time to sort out a proper temporary fix like track and trace, and that we could get the numbers right down and keep them there. There's a sense of all in this together which went out the window after the Dominic Cummings thing and I don't think they'll get that back.

Now that people know nothing has changed they'll be reluctant to do it again. Especially since they've said only half of us will get the vaccine.

Also yes it's convenient to get all sorts of Brexit crap through

Devlesko · 12/10/2020 12:06

Maybe people will start to bloody listen now and take some personal responsibility.

What like wfh, closing nurseries and schools, (as it's so bad), shops and pubs?
No, it's not killing enough for them to risk the economy. It's become a case of survival of the fittest, we just do what we can.

Belle0705 · 12/10/2020 12:07

@Devlesko

A load are in for other things and not ill with Corona. They're just picking them up now because they test all new admissions. Don't think they were doing that before the first lockdown?

This is what I've been told by friends family and associates. One of them is a heart specialist, deployed on covid wards. He moved around various hospitals in March. He only has his usual heart patients, no covid.

Our neighbours daughter in law just tested positive when going in to have her baby. Zilch symptoms. No doubt she's included in the figures
JamminDoughnuts · 12/10/2020 12:09

but if you need help for your covid symptoms and the hospitals are full of other covid patients, you are doomed

Ryerossy · 12/10/2020 12:10

It's really not that hard for people to not go out in groups and keep a distance.

But it's more hard for families to maintain a distance.

I don't think some people realise how much the extended family is completely embedded into certain cultures. The idea of not seeing your mum or your auntie or your cousins is totally alien. It's just seen as completely preposterous.

I live with DH and our DS who is 4 and attends school. In normal life, I'd see my my mum and sisters every day, I'd go shopping with my sisters, eat out with them, I'd pop round to my Dad and my stepmum and eat dinner with them and her kids, I'd take DS to see DH's parents for lunch, I might leave him there overnight, my mum might pick him up for school and take him out for dinner. And so on and so forth.

You can't do any of those things while standing 2 metres away from someone. And for me those are the things that make my life worth living. Spending every waking hour with my DH and DS and having a conversation in the rain in my mum's garden while standing 2 metres away from her is just not any semblance of a life for me.

TheUnwindingCableCar · 12/10/2020 12:10

Go out partying this week.

Go to your grandmas funeral 2-3 weeks later.

Fun.