What do you think tomorrow's announcement will be?

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Lock down?
No mixing households?

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www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-city-region-pubs-closing-19087320
Liverpool City Region pubs set to close but restaurants expected to stay open

Metro Mayor has stressed 'a deal isn't a deal until it is agreed' but details of expected restrictions have emerged tonight

Reports suggest gyms, betting shops and casinos will also be told to shut their doors.

There has been some pushback from local figures to try and allow pubs that serve food using table service to be exempt but it's not clear if this has been agreed to at this stage.

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[quote Multiplying2020]@CrappleUmble almost all of the north voted Conservative at the last election. London almost all voted Labour. See map www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50770798

I get your point, and historically you'd have been right, but you can't blame this on the Londoners![/quote]
No it didn't. There's a full breakdown from page 26 of the Commons briefing below. They split the north into three regions and all were majority Labour. I think you might be doing that thing where people don't realise Tory constituencies tend to be geographically larger because they usually win nearly all the rural ones?

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8749/

Citing this fact isn't blaming London either, as they were also majority Labour. The UK isn't made up of northern England and London solely. Or there would be a Labour government.

I predict

Bluster
Hands
More bluster
Face Space remember the NH - Ace
Bit of aren’t we great
Stiff upper lip
Pull together
Witty and co
Good luck god speed see you in Jan what - ho

Fucking hell, I would prefer proper lockdown to all this fucking fannying about.

@Flaxmeadow

Not a card you can play when you've referred to criticism of the government as whining, I'm afraid.

I called northerners whiners, 15 million people, and I'm a northerner too. But you made a direct personal attack

As for counter-argument, you've not even managed one. Because you can't, because your view bears no resemblance to reality and because I'm right

Arrogance won't get you far in a debate either

Being right has done me pretty well in this one though. Also, saying your posts have all been embarrassing isn't a personal attack. It's a comment on what you've written, not you. Personal attack would be saying you were embarrassing, which I carefully have not done.

So: we didn't do this to ourselves, the situation has unfolded as it has because of a government and wider situation we didn't create and dont control. That would make you wrong.

Same old same old. At first they said face masks didn't help. Now not only do they help they're compulsory. Every one had to go out for a half price meal. Now it's all change again. I have no intention of taking part in large gatherings. But all this is getting quite ridiculous. What if you don't use a mobile phone.

I predict...

No mention of the fact that schools is the main source of spread of the infection or that it's rife in schools (many of them asymptomatic and then going out into the community).

They can shut down whatever they like but as long as thousands of schoolchildren are mixing shoulder to literal shoulder every day then it's not going to make any difference.

Liverpool is at risk because of hospitalisations

We have the most with over 240 in hospital currently in the city

We only had 400 at peak so it’s huge rise with 180 in a single hospitsl

@CrappleUmble

So if the rules had been adhered to then track and trace would not be needed. So removing politics why do you think there are hotspots in certain parts of the country.

So: we didn't do this to ourselves, the situation has unfolded as it has because of a government and wider situation we didn't create and dont control

We control whether or not we follow the rules. Stop passing the buck. There are covidiots everywhere and worryingly their numbers are increasing at an alarming rate

Go on facebook and look at the recent posts by Public Health England or the NHS and look ar the truly disgusting number of vile comments underneath. Yes some are trolls or party political activists with a chip on their shoulder, as usual, but most are not. Its insanity the way covidiocy has spread. It's more scary than the damn virus the things these fools are saying and how they will not follow the rule. And what was it the caused this vile onslaught? They reminded people to wash their hands and social distance, the fascists !!!

@Ginogineli

Do you know the age demographic of those in hospital? And why personally do you think the area is suffering so badly ?

@Hopeisathingwithfeathers

But in our area we have not had so many school cases ? So why is that?

And people were crying out for schools to open because one they could not work and two the government were letting down a generation?

So what is your answer ?

I don’t to be honest

But I’ve been the city centre shopping today - nan packed and only 10-30% in masks depending on ship

Outside bars busy but main shopping street itself very busy for Sunday

Largely it’s due to work. Almost everyone is back at work with few (don’t know any) working from home

Jam packed should say

We also have 3 unis and edge hill round corner but to be fair cases were rising before students came

Most are workplaces as distancing at work just doesn’t exist here

@Viviennemary

I assume by they you mean the world health organisation as it was them who changed their minds about masks and advised the government?

It will probably be around 3:30pm tomorrow in the House of Commons (doesn’t sit until 2:30 on Mondays, first education questions, then unless any urgent questions are granted then the statement will be around 3:30)

Whilst I agree that the amount of people disobeying the rules is alarming, I can’t believe that there aren’t just as many contrary idiots in other parts of the uk as there are in the north.

There's another announcement tomorrow? I can't even recall what the last announcement/rules were.

Spike is led by universities and student populations. You only have to look at Nottingham. Massive student population as a % of not-massive city and bam they've gone from not much infection to off the bloody chart. They should manage and support that population not punish every retail outlet, employer and family in these areas.

Not

I think it’s workplaces as more in north are having to go to work rather than wfh

Don’t think it’s schools or masks as all areas same

It’s about the jobs that people have

[quote Unsure33]@CrappleUmble

So if the rules had been adhered to then track and trace would not be needed. So removing politics why do you think there are hotspots in certain parts of the country.[/quote]
No, this is totally wrong. There are lots of jobs where SD isn't possible and lots of things we were allowed, often even encouraged to do (eg go into work in person even if not required) that still presented a transmission risk. Once the virus was in, simply adhering to legislation wasn't going to be enough because it simply isn't possible for everyone to stay away from each other. That approach, if it were ever going to work in the UK (I'm not saying it would've) needed doing earlier. 23rd March was too late.

Why hotspots: firstly, you can't remove politics. Any analysis that tries will be worthless. PHE think the virus may be endemic in some areas of the north for the following reasons: poorer housing, less likely to be able to work remotely, more multigenerational households. Then you have to consider where the people who are least likely to have funds to isolate are, given that we don't fully top up wages (that's also political).

Outside the north, I think the reason the south west has had such low rates is sparser population, fewer urban areas and now, not many students. London suffered worse first because the virus arrived via international travel.

@CrunchyCarrot

Definitely a new slogan!

Wash Hands, Wear Masks, Restrict the Northerners! (I am one before anyone jumps on me)

Not sure who said masks didn't help much. But it was at one of those question and answer sessions. No wonder people don't have faith in those so called experts.

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No mention of the fact that schools is the main source of spread of the infection or that it's rife in schools (many of them asymptomatic and then going out into the community).

They can shut down whatever they like but as long as thousands of schoolchildren are mixing shoulder to literal shoulder every day then it's not going to make any difference.*

Completely agree. As long as schools remain open, many people believe things to be back to normal and behave as so.