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To shut down for at least 6 months ? This can't be true I am utterly disgusted at the way people are being treated .... the fall out from this will be worse ! Even a WHO scientist had said lockdowns don't work

I guess there was probably some of this aimed at Londoners during lockdown as that's where the worst hit was.

Ultimately Liverpool's rate is about the same as Manchester area anyway, it's more the hospital situation along with Burnham kicking up a big fuss over hospitality closing.

@XiCi that's what Boris has wanted all along, sure he's wanking himself silly over the mess he's left Liverpool in

@annabel85, no not at all
everyone was terrified and no-one knew how the virus would behave
there was none of this language of gleeful blame then

25,000 students in Exeter add 20% to the population, Liverpools students add around 12%. Exeter's students will largely have come from places with higher infection rates, Liverpool's students possibly from places with lower infection rates.

Latest surveillance says for Liverpool "The majority of cases (59%) were in those aged under 40 years, whereas 24% cases were in those aged 40-59 yrs. " but ignore data and blame it on a influx of students so you dont need to consider changing behaviour.

Is Liverpool airport open?

Everywhere else (except possibly the south west and the east of England) will soon catch up. The government (in England, at least) isn't doing nearly enough to contain it. As confirmed by the Chief Medical Officer and SAGE. We're failing to follow WHO advice also, i.e. on how to make schools safer.

The time to act is before things get worse. Liverpool might well end up with lower numbers of deaths and less cases of Long Covid because of stricter restrictions.

Then again perhaps not seeing as, like Chris Witty warns, none of the tiers (tier 3 included) go far enough.

It's particularly pointless whilst the airports remain unrestricted, with no proper quarantines in the UK.

We have all explained again and again on this thread alreadytaken that we are all complying with the rules, always have done and everyone we know is complying. However carry on with your bolshie scouser/unruly northerner rhetoric that is so prevalent on these boards. God there are some truly unpleasant people on here. When you or one of your family contracts this virus will you be happy about someone accusing you again and again of non compliance with covid restrictions? Pathetic.

everyone was terrified and no-one knew how the virus would behave,there was none of this language of gleeful blame then
There really wasnt, just horror watching it unfold, sympathy for those in the worst infected areas and the knowledge that we were likely to be next as it spread. Saying the residents of an entire city are to blame for virus cases in the middle of a global pandemic is just hateful.

@alreadytaken a lot of Exeter Uni students are in Falmouth and Truro and its a campus uni. There's no town and gown separation in Liverpool, really and majority live in city centre slums of the future student flats

Add to this that it is a working class city, lots of frontline jobs, not doable from home and the fact that it is clearly spreading significantly also in schools and there you are.

But you go ahead, carry on with the wild west scouse narrative if it gives you joy.

Theres a really interesting article here about why rates are so high in particular areas. It's basically about the k rate, the rate of dispersion.

@XiCi

everyone was terrified and no-one knew how the virus would behave,there was none of this language of gleeful blame then There really wasnt, just horror watching it unfold, sympathy for those in the worst infected areas and the knowledge that we were likely to be next as it spread. Saying the residents of an entire city are to blame for virus cases in the middle of a global pandemic is just hateful.

I didn't see anything from Liverpool or any other northern town or city, but there were certainly some rather unpleasant 'plague city' and 'fuck off with your germs' comments from people in the south west. Mind you some of those comments were directed at people from any big city (including Liverpool).

Of course the actual blame lies with the UK government. How did Covid get to London (and elsewhere)? How has it been allowed to continue to spread? It's the government who is responsible. They allowed daily direct flights from Wuhan to London long after the situation in China was clear. No restrictions, no testing, no quarantine. We still have no restrictions on our borders, nor do we have proper quarantine. And it's the government who's responsible for any other restrictions we have (across the UK).
They've ignored WHO advice on schools (measures to take to make them safer), they've fucked up the test, track, and trace system.

This regional division and resentment (created by the government and encouraged by a mischief making media) very conveniently distracts from all this. Instead of focusing on the actual issues people are turning on each other.

We need a coherent joined up national aporiech to this.

People live, shop, work, and go to school across boundaries. Viruses travel across regions.

*approach

@Ginogineli I get the train from Kirkby regularly and find that most people do wear masks and adhere to social distancing.

I'm not being dramatic, and it's just how I feel, but honestly, if we have to shut down for 6 months I will not see the end of it. I will have killed myself before then.

I struggled hugely in March, but this one is even worse because:

• The rest of my family fall just outside of the area so are carrying on as normal, meeting up, just without me. Same with a hobby I'd just been able to restart.
• It's dark and rainy and cold, so I can't sit in the garden like I did in the first lockdown, nor can I just leave the house and go out for walks when I'm feeling anxious like I would have done before.
• The first lockdown DSS spent with his mum. Now he's with us and won't be going to her at all, which adds a lot of pressure as we're in a small house, he plays games very loudly while swearing a lot, and he's always pressuring me with questions about when we're eating, what we're eating etc. At least when it was just me and DP in the first lockdown I could focus on myself and myself alone, but now I have the weight of a teenager who needs feeding, his washing done, his packed lunches making. I. Can. Not. Cope.

I am so, so scared about what's happening, and honestly believe I won't survive this.

@Ginogineli same experience as me. I went through l1 on the weekend and it was heaving in fact a few of the shops were so full there was zero chance for anyone inside to even try to socially distance.

@LindaEllen big hugs to you. It’s so so hard, you aren’t on your own.
It won’t be six months, the r rate will drop, and restrictions will be eased.
You can still go out. Wrap up, get your coat on and just go.

Please call you GP and talk to them about how you’re feeling.

LindaEllen could you go out in the middle of the day when it is a bit brighter? Will DSS’s mum not share custody?

Cases didnt shoot up in places like Bournemouth or Cornwall despite the influx of visitors
People came for the day or two (sleeping on the beach) and then went home again.

A lot of people around here were very angry about "outsiders" in town when normally they are desperate for the tourist income

@LindaEllen, sending you good vibes. This too will pass. It always has and it always will. I suffer from GAD and SAD, which is a shit combo - so the only things I can say that might help are 1. you are not alone, 2. get out and walk every day anyway, even in the rain and - like this morning at the merest hint of warmth in the air, 3. try a bit of really simple yoga even 5 mins a day in your bedroom it's a miracle worker. Vitamin D spray and CBD oil. None of it solves practical problems but all of it makes it easier to cope. It is always darkest before the dawn.

Another one sending positivity your way LindaEllen and another one who suffers from GAD so I do get what you are saying. I needed to get out and walk this weekend and it was cold and raining but it did me so much good to just get out in the park, actually it felt really refreshing being out in the rain. Dont let the weather stop you if you need to get out the house for a while.
Also would definitely agree with Ihatemyseleffordoingthis about the yoga. I started doing a daily youtube class at the start of lockdown and have done every day since and it's a gamechanger. Look up yoga with Adriene. Theyre free and she has specific sessions for anxiety and stress. You can do these as an absolute beginner to yoga.

Oh and I dont know if this is within your budget but we have invested in a good patio heater to get out and sit in the garden and escape the kids while we are locked in. Its fab

Does your patio heater kick off good heat? We had one years ago and it was only useful if you sat really close to it.

@StarCat2020

Cases didnt shoot up in places like Bournemouth or Cornwall despite the influx of visitors People came for the day or two (sleeping on the beach) and then went home again.

A lot of people around here were very angry about "outsiders" in town when normally they are desperate for the tourist income

I suspect their pitchforks were too much even for Covid...!

I suspect their pitchforks were too much even for Covid...!
A lot of people were so angry about the visitors saying how they were going to "infect the town".

I live in a part of BCP where most people will only ever vote Conservative even when they are voting for someone who thinks that upskirting is OK.

Anyway thing is now we have the worst rate per 100,000 in the South West (lucky us) and I kid you not there are people saying that it was "the visitors" that caused it (even though the beach thing was in June).

Worst of all can't reason with them, even with facts.

It is always darkest before the dawn.

Ain't that the truth 😞