Liverpool

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To shut down for at least 6 months ? This can't be true I am utterly disgusted at the way people are being treated .... the fall out from this will be worse ! Even a WHO scientist had said lockdowns don't work

@Ginogineli @Distiller91

I live in L22 and work in L8 and L20, and have been into town fairly often(though admittedly avoid the hellhole of concert square at all times) - my experience is everyone is masked and behaving reasonably.

Same here. I'm in South Liverpool and the majority here are behaving. A few gobshites in the supermarket with no masks or wearing them under their noses but they're definitely in the minority.

Wow Ginogineli you are very busy. In L1 then the other side to St John's Market, off to concert square at weekends, at the garage,on the train. Are you sure you arent a Superspreader

Have to agree with pp that your experiences are not the same as mine at all. Everyone wearing masks and complying with current rules.

One of my best mates is an A&E Dr in Liverpool. Her WhatsApp messages sound more stressed than her March/April levels of frazzled (I guess because its all happening again)

11/10/2020 22:51 Derbygerbil

Looking at threads over the past couples of months, Liverpool always seemed to be one of those places that was least compliant. Mask-wearing compliance seemed to be pretty poor for instance. The bolshy refusal to follow rules by too many people has ruined it for everyone.

You base this on a couple of threads on MN?
I don’t live in Liverpool but go there regularly.
You are very wrong.
Do you usually come out with such utter shit?

@XiCi well said.

@Derbygerbil @Carycy what a load of absolute shit

@Rummikub

The places with highest infection rates are all University towns, obviously including Liverpool. Quite why there wasn’t a strategy for the biggest annual mass movement of people is beyond me.

If we assume the average person will only get covid once between now and spring then September seems the best time to get a big chunk of 18-21 year old infections boxed off before flu season fully starts..

Hopefully they will have a much easier rest of the year with isolated cases going forward.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/11/covid-cases-and-deaths-today-coronavirus-uk-map

I linked to this on another thread. Stunned by the number of t2 areas that are above ‘Liverpool area’ towns that are lumped together as t3. St. Helens is 11th and Halton lower still.
I am happy to take on extra measures in good faith that we are doing it for a common cause apart from it really doesn’t look like that is the case!

I suspect Halton and St. Helens are lumped in with Liverpool due to sharing of hospital facilities, and therefore numbers of beds available in Liverpool impacts these regions.

@CountessFrog Halton is part of the Liverpool city region and has been for a few years. In non Covid times we get the choice of Warrington or Whiston/St Helens if you’re being referred for something. Though I guess those tier 2 Warrington lot don’t want us at the moment

It makes sense to me that the hospitals are close to capacity here which is why we are tier 3, and Nottingham isn’t. My local nurse friends are confirming it’s getting bad again. So why not communicate that?

@IHateCoronavirus
I'm in Sefton - currently 410 - (not surprised, virtually every school has a bunch of classes off) but even 3 weeks ago it was way way lower than Liverpool itself. I suspect Halton and St Hel are in it not only for administrative clarity but because it's only going in one direction.

@Ihatemyseleffordoingthis St. Helens and Halton are 300 plus so absolutely further action should be taken.

@Freshprincess my point was to @IHateCoronavirus who begs to differ.
Though many people in Halton & St Hel working in Liverpool and Manchester, too. It's a conurbation and needs to be treated as such.

Her point being other entirely different places - Newcastle, Sheffield, Manchester itself, are above 300 and not in that level of restriction.

Of coursethe situation would be helping now enormously if the new Royal hadn't been fucked up by Carillion etc

@Freshprincess I'm in Nottingham. We are surprised we aren't true 3 but, the rude in cases is because the UON has set up
It's own mass testing centre and is testing everything that moves. So I think the outbreak is fairly confined to the university, and Lowdham prison.

" It's bordering on what was seen in the beaches in the South. I strongly believe this is a big factor in why cases are so high."

Cases didnt shoot up in places like Bournemouth or Cornwall despite the influx of visitors, there is something else going on. Students are driving infections elsewhere - like Exeter - but those infections have not yet massively impacted the local hospitals.

Rather than bleating about it "not being fair" like a 5 year old why are people not focused on what more they can personally do to keep rates down. So rather than saying I'm going to ignore restrictions how about asking your childrens schools to make the 6th form wear masks.

Infections are not at the same level throughout the country and as much of the economy as possible needs to be kept open, to fund the parts that cant.

There is a hard winter to get through but when the weather improves again more can happen outdoors where the virus risk is lo. There will be more new treatments and they are likely to come through before a vaccine. This is not forever.

Where has anyone said they are going to ignore restrictions alreadytaken? Or bleated like a 5 year old?
Liverpool not only has a massive tourist industry but has 4 universities so dont think there is any big mystery about where the cases have come from. Cornwall had visitors in the summer and is rural. We are a big city that has hundreds of thousands of students and millions of visitors here year round. Exeter is tiny and has 1 university so hardly comparable. Also the North came out of lockdown too early. Something which local government leaders here warned the government about at the time.
Noone is bleating and everyone is doing all they can to comply and get these rates down so please do fuck off.

No one is saying it isn’t fair. I do think that more places should have been placed under t3 restrictions though.

I think t3 travel restrictions should probably be policed. Nothing stopping somebody from Liverpool going to a pub in Warrington, fuu I r example, surely the nhs app could have gone some way to helping this - pubs stay open in neighbouring areas but only admit those with the nhs app linked to An address, allows entry by postcode.

It's the whole of the Liverpool area CountessFrog and I think theyve included Warrington in that. Sure you could schlep over to Manchester for a drink but given that they all shut at 10 anyway I cant really see that happening. If you were that desperate for a drink you would have one with your meal at a restaurant or in your own home surely. It's not illegal to leave the area and policing would be a logistical nightmare just to deter a tiny minority that would think to do that

Warrington is not included actually.

Waeey is Tier Two but @countessfrog I'd say that was highly unlikely It's a long way for a pint, and you'd be driving after all.

I don't think the Plague Village mentality is very helpful. Any rising level is very unlikely to be from infected Scousers but about the quantum of local community infection.

Sorry Warry not Waeey!

"Cases didnt shoot up in places like Bournemouth or Cornwall despite the influx of visitors, there is something else going on."

That would be Winter. And schools being open. And workplaces.

"Students are driving infections elsewhere - like Exeter - but those infections have not yet massively impacted the local hospitals."

Critical mass - Exeter is miniscule compared to Liverpool. And Liverpool has more than 50k students. No real halls on leafy campus's all part of city centre. And Exeter was creeping into the 300s in terms of infections.

[quote Ihatemyseleffordoingthis]**@Ginogineli* @Distiller91*

I live in L22 and work in L8 and L20, and have been into town fairly often(though admittedly avoid the hellhole of concert square at all times) - my experience is everyone is masked and behaving reasonably.[/quote]
I also live in L22, family in L20 and have travelled into town. I agree-Trains have been quiet, over 90% of people wearing masks . Same in the shops

I don't think the Plague Village mentality is very helpful
I know. Sounds like people want us fully surrounded and shot if we try to escape .
The thought that I would be so desperate for a few hours in the pub that I would travel to Warrington is amusing me though. And I do love a good pub session.