Hospital admissions nearly as high as just before lockdown

[frozendaisy]

Parking death rates as treatment is improving (thank you medics for continuing your research whilst the politicians spout out slogans).

But I have a gut feeling that at some point they will close schools again or go part time.

Our local cases have doubled in a week.

Just looking at the data particularly in Europe, this is a second wave now, the winter wave.

@catsarecute I think London are taking it seriously, in the first wave there were nearly a thousand deaths a day in the peak, mostly in London, maybe that’s why London is doing better now as they have learnt how serious this is, not just deaths but long Covid as well.

@Alex50 yes maybe. Hope London continues to do ok. It's a real mixed bag where I am, lots of people are taking it seriously but then there's lots of covid deniers/mask refusers too - plus lots of party animals :-(

@HesterShaw1

OK. How about this? We, the little people (as opposed to people like government advisors and SNP MPs) are doing everything we can reasonably be expected to do without absolutely trashing society.

The powers that be knew we would be faced with this in the autumn. Why weren't hospitals better prepared? The country had 6 months to prepare.

And if this is going to be a long term thing, they will NEED to be prepared every autumn because we sure as hell can't keep shutting everything.

And why on earth are Nightingale Hosputals not being used instead of intensive care units? That's what they were built for.

@HesterShaw1 prob not enough staff, also these places are nowhere near like proper ICUs I believe. We are currently looking after critically ill patients in an area outside of a designated icu and it's just not fit for purpose so can't imagine what the nightingale hospitals would be like....

@HesterShaw1 Where are all these critical care doctors/nurses/technicians that would be needed to staff a huge nightingale as an ICU then?

@Dawnlassie

No, it really isn't important. Look at the figures for ICU admissions, they are important, those people are properly sick with Covid and the numbers are steadily rising. I have posted them earlier in the thread

But are they really sick due to covid? Or being sick with something else and just happen to have covid?

I’m looking at our Trust’s Covid patients in ICU graph. It has increased 20-fold in the last month.

If you think that those patients are in ICU for other reasons but just have mild Covid, what’s your explanation for the increase?

My friend works in a large hospital in Manchester. They are full to busting with covid patients popping up in every ward. She says the people are not as ill as last time. The difference is that for example a person who falls off his bike and breaks his leg, is admitted and is found to have tested positive for covid although they are not aware of it and dont have any symptoms. They are then treated/registered as a covid patient and not allowed out for 14 days taking up bed space. This and the fact that the beds have to be socially distanced so less beds to a ward.

@sadblackcat

My friend works in a large hospital in Manchester. They are full to busting with covid patients popping up in every ward. She says the people are not as ill as last time. The difference is that for example a person who falls off his bike and breaks his leg, is admitted and is found to have tested positive for covid although they are not aware of it and dont have any symptoms. They are then treated/registered as a covid patient and not allowed out for 14 days taking up bed space. This and the fact that the beds have to be socially distanced so less beds to a ward.

That is nuts, the patient should go home and isolate rather than bed block. I would discharge myself.

[quote Rosehip10]@HesterShaw1 Where are all these critical care doctors/nurses/technicians that would be needed to staff a huge nightingale as an ICU then?[/quote]
That's my point. What kind of moronic system builds a load of hospitals for a specific illness and then neglects to think about staffing them?

Yes 6 months isnt enough to train doctors and nurses from scratch to staff them, so if this was the case, why did they bother building the hospitals? Why not put the money elsewhere where it could have made an actual difference e g extra temporary buildings in schools?

Not nearly as many deaths as they now know how to treat it better...

But that headline doesn't sell the news or get published like the dramatic doubling headlines do!

More people have died through the non-treatment of cancer & heart disease than Covid deaths!

I lost an Aunt to cancer she was refused treatment, my friend lost her Dad - same reason Covid only treatment!

1+1 = 2 that is doubling & so is 10,000 + 10,000 = 20.000 it does not mean deaths.

Remember: “There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics”.