Hospital admissions nearly as high as just before lockdown

[frozendaisy]

Parking death rates as treatment is improving (thank you medics for continuing your research whilst the politicians spout out slogans).

But I have a gut feeling that at some point they will close schools again or go part time.

Our local cases have doubled in a week.

Just looking at the data particularly in Europe, this is a second wave now, the winter wave.

Oops wrong thread

Some perspective?

Son is waiting for influx from over the border.

I though pneumonia could be caused by all sorts of things. It’s not necessarily all flu related pneumonia. There is obviously always an underlying pneumonia risk that never changes even without Covid. Doesn’t make Covid any less serious though.

But I have a gut feeling that at some point they will close schools again

Why? How many school or university students are hospitalised? I suspect very few!

@Chickenandrice

I though pneumonia could be caused by all sorts of things. It’s not necessarily all flu related pneumonia. There is obviously always an underlying pneumonia risk that never changes even without Covid. Doesn’t make Covid any less serious though.

This. Pneumonia deaths are always high. Lots of people in hospital who are initially admitted for other things (surgery, heart attacks, strokes) die from pneumonia, and then of course there are the people who come in in the first place with pneumonia. Only a fraction are flu related.

Thanks glitter. I think people are misunderstanding and thinking flu is killing more than covid

Zoe App for my area one week ago was 137 per 100,000; now 74.

Covid is not particularly serious for the young or even the under 55's.

We live close to London and work in London. We know barely a soul who has had it on a confirmed basis.

Let the young out.

@notevenat20

Currently there is an impending disaster in the NW with hospital numbers doubling about every 11 days. But lots of the country has very little in the way of increase. The question is will the NW disaster spread to the rest of the country and can it be stopped where it is.

Has there been a really serious look at why this is? Rather than just guesses?

I suppose it's a combination of factors, but is there any info on just who is being admitted?

Quiet at our local hospital...w.as there last week.

Above I said we have low virus numbers and low admissions in my area, but I should add that staff are fully expecting a things to get very busy and very bad. Hopefully there will be fewer flu admissions due to higher vaccine uptake this year, and the restrictions on pubs and bars may mean fewer alcohol-related and fight-related admissions, maybe fewer RTAs if more people stay home, but many in NHS expect carnage later in the year.

This. Pneumonia deaths are always high. Lots of people in hospital who are initially admitted for other things (surgery, heart attacks, strokes) die from pneumonia, and then of course there are the people who come in in the first place with pneumonia. Only a fraction are flu related.

I'm so glad you said this. I've been saying this over and over, but everyone at work is saying that 'flu is killing more than covid, why are we still scared of covid'.

Flu season hasn't really got going yet. Although you can catch flu outside of flu season, it wouldn't be at this level. Not with all the SD and hand washing, mask wearing.

I think people are misunderstanding and thinking flu is killing more than covid

Exactly! By lumping 'flu and pneumonia' together everyone thinks it's normal flu doing the rounds.

It's so frustrating.

Nan had dementia - died of pneumonia
Grandad had a stroke - died of pneumonia
Grandad had cancer - died of pneumonia
Nana had heart attack - died of pneumonia

Not flu.

@justasking111

Yes. You stay there till you get the results. They base where you go on your results

It takes roughly 2 hrs

Re pneumonia- I think the pnemonia vaccine is offered to all over 65-70, and the government redirected all stocks in March to the elderly in residential settings in a big vaccination push, I believe, so hopefully more people will be protected this year.

Here are the hospital admissions for England. London is 27 on the 4th October, NW is 208 😮 why?

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/COVID-19-daily-admissions-20201007.xlsx

I'm surprised people don't realise that pneumonia can't be lumped together with flu. Of course pneumonia deaths are going to be ridiculously high because it's the final bit that kill people off when their immune system has been massively weakened by something else.

Another issue with covid is the completely unknown long term effects. Quite a few young people I know who have had covid months ago, still aren't recovered. Constantly falling asleep, unable to exercise (one previously ran marathons regularly now is exuasted after a 2 mile walk).Obviously this isn't the case for everyone but it's a massive problem aand big unknown. To count only in terms of death rates is ridiculous.

The hospital I know about put anyone awaiting covid test results on medium-risk ward together. Which might be ok when most people dont have it but not sure it will work when lots do: hopefully faster test kits will be available soon

It’s interesting to read the varied positions depending on your demographics. I live in the NW and work for the NHS, no great raise in Covid admissions and ICU beds in my area. (But that’s doesn’t mean anything country wide) But I agree we really need to know what the figures mean, if it’s everyone who tested positive regardless of reason for admission and symptoms or actual admissions with Covid and serious symptoms. There would be a substantial amount of people with Covid and symptoms who were just told to stay at home and not included in the figures at the start of lockdown. If we don’t know what we’re comparing it’s impossible to calculate our current position.

The case numbers for now can't be compared to March, as we simply weren't testing many people at all in March/April. I suspect number of cases in March was way in excess of now, if we'd been able to test in the numbers we currently are doing.

Are those NW figures per day? Liverpool currently has over 200 beds occupied with covid as of today according to our local council and nhs Liverpool

The North West and " poorer" areas are hardest hit. BUT how come we never hear about London? It stands to reason parts of London must have the same demographics. Its such a big place.

twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1313883285274136577/photo/1

I’m astonished that BBC Radio 4 has all day carried stories of NHS hospitals ‘almost going under’ with the number of covid19 patients.
The figure below is a feed not available to the public, valid Monday, directly from NHS England’s computer.
You either believe BBC or NHS data.

Grey bars are ‘confirmed covid19 patients’.
We’ve the same proportion of the most intensive care beds occupied by very ill patients who are positive in a covid19 PCR year as has Sweden.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

Depends on your definitions of "nearly as high" and "just before lockdown" I suppose, but also remember we're now testing a lot more people so will be pretty much aware of every positive case admitted. Early data is in general a bit dodgy - you don't even get full 4 nations data until 23 March (which I think was the day of lockdown?)

I hear London is quiet now with manybstill working from home? Thought that’s why gov was so worried about economy down there as shops quiet etc

That’s opposite here in Liverpool

I don’t know anyone working from home and most people I know worked throughout

None in our hospital in the SE.