Hospital admissions nearly as high as just before lockdown

[frozendaisy]

Parking death rates as treatment is improving (thank you medics for continuing your research whilst the politicians spout out slogans).

But I have a gut feeling that at some point they will close schools again or go part time.

Our local cases have doubled in a week.

Just looking at the data particularly in Europe, this is a second wave now, the winter wave.

@Sunflowers247

But I have a gut feeling that at some point they will close schools again

Why? How many school or university students are hospitalised? I suspect very few!

Maybe, but the staff and students relatives are a different story.

We were so full of covid down here in outer London in March you just about couldn't get to a hospital. If you could say 5 words not 3 ambulances would not even take you . There was virtually no NHS provision. It is not like that here now as younger people are getting it or people are not getting it as badly and doctors know how to treat it better. They are also putting many fewer on a ventilator - ventilatory have bad outcomes. i don't think I would even consent to go on one even if I were at risk of death

That must play a big part @Ginogineli.

Here in a very ordinary part of London everyone who can is working from home. It actually means the outer zones are busier than they used to be, as far less people are commuting in. But Londoners are used to keeping their distance from each other too. So we’re all just naturally socially distancing still.

So the data isn't fully there and what there is only backs up the title if you interpret those phrases very generously (and assume the data in March was as complete and accurate as the current data, which is not likely).

I'm Liverpool-based too and know plenty of people WFH though. Obviously that's just anecdotal and is a reflection of my personal connections, would be interested in seeing real data on that point.

[quote Alex50]Here are the hospital admissions for England. London is 27 on the 4th October, NW is 208 😮 why?

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/COVID-19-daily-admissions-20201007.xlsx[/quote]
Because people in your area think rules are to be ignored?

@XingMing this isn’t my area, i’m in the SE near London, I see many people in my area not sticking to the rules but our hospital doesn’t have one coronvirus case at the moment, 16 admissions in the whole of the SE on the 4th October?

Probably also to do with timing.

London got hit harder earlier on

Because people in your area think rules are to be ignored?

So stupidity is regional?

@MarshaBradyo what does timing have to do with it? Maybe there is immunity? Maybe London had a lot more cases in March/April than they thought? My husband travels into London everyday meeting different people, my daughter’s has not had one case of coronvirus yet, in a school of 2000, my sons a teacher in a college, going into College every day, I go into work everyday meeting new people, how we haven’t caught it yet is beyond me, fingers crossed we don’t but I just see it as a matter of time if it’s so contagious.

The problem as well is it's not winter yet, the clocks still haven't even gone back yet

Maybe we should stay on BST ?

The darker evenings just encourage us to get indoors.

Depends whether or not there is spreading to the wider community, if it remains predominantly amongst the student population, then that age group are highly unlikely to be admitted to hospital.

This is now known as the swimming pool no wee-ing lane theory.

Surely we need to know figures for people who are in hospital who happen to be tested versus those admitted due to covid.

This distinction is crucial

"Because people in your area think rules are to be ignored?"

Yes you're right the whole lot of us in the North are thick and just can't follow the rules

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

Surely we need to know figures for people who are in hospital who happen to be tested versus those admitted due to covid.

This distinction is crucial

I agree. I think it's really important

@ILoveAllRainbowsx

The southern hemisphere had very little flu this year, so hopefully we will be the same. The SD, hand washing etc seems to have stopped flu from spreading.

I'm inclined to agree

No, it really isn't important. Look at the figures for ICU admissions, they are important, those people are properly sick with Covid and the numbers are steadily rising. I have posted them earlier in the thread.

Our trusts are the same as any other week, always full, never any beds, so the trust have had a few months to sort this shit out, and nothing has changed.

The Southern Hemisphere might have had very little flu, but the schools were probably closed for a lot of the flu season as most of the world had some kind of lockdown. Schools being closed would make a huge difference as that's normally where all of these things spread the most.

@Sweetnhappy1

No, it really isn't important. Look at the figures for ICU admissions, they are important, those people are properly sick with Covid and the numbers are steadily rising. I have posted them earlier in the thread.

Those figures are worrying. I think everyone's desperately hoping things aren't going to go the same way as before, but it does look like they will without further restrictions. I keep harping on about schools, but I find it bizarre that anyone thinks closing pubs an hour early, or even altogether is going to make much of a dent in the figures while everyone is mixing at school and no one is wearing masks or social distancing at them. It's all very well saying children aren't too badly affected on the whole, but lots do have underlying issues, diagnosed or not, and they all have families and relatives who may well be badly affected, not to mention all the school staff.

@Stradivari

Yes you are tested regularly in hospital, and tested before discharge. My trust had less than 5 the last shift I was on. I think there needs to be some separation of statistics now: those who are in hospital WITH CV and those in hospital BECAUSE OF CV ... the last bay I looked after with query covid/covid pos cases were in for other reasons and were symptomless (genuinely)

The daily data is for admissions because of Covid

Hospital figures are huge here.

Reassuring to hear they’re low elsewhere.

No wonder so many of us have differing viewpoints.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

Surely we need to know figures for people who are in hospital who happen to be tested versus those admitted due to covid.

This distinction is crucial

The admissions data will show this.

You can see that stat here.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

Patients admitted.

Patients in hospital.

And patients in ICU

All show a similar increase.

@Chickenandrice

I though pneumonia could be caused by all sorts of things. It’s not necessarily all flu related pneumonia. There is obviously always an underlying pneumonia risk that never changes even without Covid. Doesn’t make Covid any less serious though.

True. There are so many things that lead to pneumonia. As a child, I developed it from ecoli. I was in hospital for a long time.

No, it really isn't important. Look at the figures for ICU admissions, they are important, those people are properly sick with Covid and the numbers are steadily rising. I have posted them earlier in the thread

But are they really sick due to covid? Or being sick with something else and just happen to have covid?