Hospital admissions nearly as high as just before lockdown

[frozendaisy]

Parking death rates as treatment is improving (thank you medics for continuing your research whilst the politicians spout out slogans).

But I have a gut feeling that at some point they will close schools again or go part time.

Our local cases have doubled in a week.

Just looking at the data particularly in Europe, this is a second wave now, the winter wave.

It really does vary by area. My low virus level region definitely does not have has many admissions as in March when there were literally hundreds of suspected undiagnosed cases in the hospital (and then the staff all caught it in the hundreds). Currently probably can count them on one hand.
I know there is bad feeling about addressing policy by region but the fact remains that, although virus levels are going up everywhere, at this point some areas are very high and some comparatively low.

dont forget though that they were triaging via 111 for admission, and only the really really sick got to go to hospital - there were thousands within the community who were very ill indeed but not being allowed in.

Now people are going in who didnt even know they had it.

@NettleTea

dont forget though that they were triaging via 111 for admission, and only the really really sick got to go to hospital - there were thousands within the community who were very ill indeed but not being allowed in.

Now people are going in who didnt even know they had it.

@NettleTea that's totally irrelevant when you look at the ICU data

Currently there is an impending disaster in the NW with hospital numbers doubling about every 11 days. But lots of the country has very little in the way of increase. The question is will the NW disaster spread to the rest of the country and can it be stopped where it is.

There is quite a lot of regional variation, numbers are highest in the North West of England and also high in North East England and Yorkshire.

North West England has gone from a low of 77 on 26 August to a high of over 1000 today (doubling approximately every 12 days), so if current rate of growth continues they would hit April highs (approx 2100) in just over 2 weeks time. Other regions are flat in terms of admissions numbers though, London, South East etc. London was much worse in April than it is now.

Also, what is going to happen in university towns where it seems most of the student population will catch it?

@Honorocarrollkelly

I find this hard to believe! I am in a hospital and we have a handful on a ward, none very seriously ill, and none in ICU last I heard. I didn't see this on BBC website either but happy to be corrected....

Just because you don't have the personal experience of a busy Covid admissions doesn't mean other hospitals aren't busy. As people have said the distribution of admissions across the country is quite uneven. Your personal experience means nothing in the context of numbers of daily Covid admissions across the country

It feels very very worrying in the north west right now

@notevenat20

Also, what is going to happen in university towns where it seems most of the student population will catch it?

We have shot up in Covid infections in the last three weeks with 70% of infections from the local university. We are close to.having more local restrictions imposed ( currently on the basic rule of 6 with no extra restrictions )

Yesterdays figures from.worldometers. we aren't in the same pattern as the last wave. Much higher daily cases but the deaths arent tracking the first wave. What they do next who knows but Spain and France looks very similar

I am confused. I swore I saw an interview with an emergency consultant on the BBC breakfast programme this morning saying hospital admissions are not near peak lockdown levels. He was talking about how ICU numbers are below lockdown levels as they have learned how to treat covid more effectively since March. He was warning of things to come, but this seems in contrast to what you are saying OP.

It's very worrying isn't it.
I felt more fearful back in march because it was all so new.
I'm sure I caught it mildly as well.

I feel strangely very worried and not worried

@Stradivari

Yes you are tested regularly in hospital, and tested before discharge. My trust had less than 5 the last shift I was on. I think there needs to be some separation of statistics now: those who are in hospital WITH CV and those in hospital BECAUSE OF CV ... the last bay I looked after with query covid/covid pos cases were in for other reasons and were symptomless (genuinely)

Absolutely, they need to be separate. Most of ours are all people in for other reasons, with multiple co morbidities.

@FTMF30

Where is the evidence of hospital admissions?

Hospital admissions for England were 586 on 19th March (the first date they give numbers for England) and 508 today.

That's from the government site.

I was in my local major hospital right next to a uni twice this week. Everything seems very normal and calm here. Cases are going down from 63 > 50 per 100,000. It's weird our uni return has made no impact here at all( so far touch wood)

But these are Covid-19 admissions numbers, so are they not already seperate from people in hospital for other reasons, who test positive at some stage during their stay?

Well we are at close to 400 a day and the moment

We are a slightly larger populationthan Belgium though.

Much higher daily cases but the deaths arent tracking the first wave

We are doing far more tests than we were in the spring, at the peak it was thought there were 100000s infected but we were only testing 10000 a day.

Front line NHS worker in the north. I don't know the official numbers for my hospital but based on shifts this week it's felt as busy as it usually is in Jan/Feb. Worried about the coming winter

The high uni cases are mostly in areas where the underlying local cases were higher, so the students caught the virus locally then spread it among themselves in their quite large bubbles. Manchester, Sheffield, Liverpool etc, but not Bristol where local cases were quite low comparatively. Exeter is an anomaly, though. Currently the hotspot in the south west.

@notevenat20

Also, what is going to happen in university towns where it seems most of the student population will catch it?

Depends whether or not there is spreading to the wider community, if it remains predominantly amongst the student population, then that age group are highly unlikely to be admitted to hospital.

[quote SebandAlice]@Honorocarrollkelly

Are all admissions tested for Covid? Just wondering if the Covid cases are in because of other reasons and then reported as a Covid admission. I know it is happening in some hospitals.[/quote]
Our hospital won't admit without w Covid test.

No cases in my local hospital

Another advantage we have at present is that it turns out ventilators aren't a good treatment option so those who are admitted to hospital aren't using up a very scarce resource and require less invasive treatment. Obviously though there is a limit to what hospitals can cope with and if they continue to rise we'll need further restrictions.

@Happyheartlovelife if you cannot be admitted how long does it take for the results to come through, do you have to stay in A and E until the results are known?

The Gov website makes it clear fixed penalties can be given if householders cause an obstruction with bins such as forcing people with buggies onto the road.

So I would take photos with dates and send to the relevant body every day it happens,