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Do you really think we're all in this together re Covid, or is your main priority yourself and your family?

143 replies

Marcellemouse · 07/10/2020 15:41

I keep hearing we're in this together etc. However, my family are not vulnerable to CV and are one of those families who were not eligible for any government funding. My DC are also in vital years educationally. I am not remotely concerned about catching CV. I have compiled with all the rules but quite frankly now I'm absolutely sick of this. To the vast majority CV is a mild illness, I appreciate there are many people susceptible to this but they are not my concern just as I am not theirs. The final straw was finding out the average age of death from CV is 82. The thought of this continuing for another year or two is sending me over the edge.

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Msmcc1212 · 08/10/2020 11:55

If we need an increase in ICU beds then that pulls doctors and nurses away from other areas. Most have been redeployed back to their substantive roles now but if there is a spike then they will need to be redeployed again. Emergencies and life threatening issues will always need to be prioritised. Or are we suggesting that we just leave people to die at home from covid when there are interventions that could save them? If we start to need the Nightingale type hospitals then it will have a greater impact on other areas than there already is. There are a finite number of medics and nurses. They are amazing but also only human. They were stretched to capacity prior to covid. I personally will continue to follow the guidelines even if that is hard, so that we can have as much of the NHS open as possible and the most freedom possible.

Ignoring the rules will not help gain more freedom and will not help get NHS services running again!? It will only serve to make things worse for everyone, including those that flout the rules.

ketchupthebear · 08/10/2020 12:17

Hmmmm, @Msmcc1212, are you saying those staff were running ITUs in June, July and August when there were negligible Covid cases in huge parts of the country? Can you provide some evidence for where that was happening please?

Those that we want to see have not been allowed to provide their specialist and equally essential non-Covid care.

You're not understanding the point that even following the rules, and helping others, which we are too, we have had, and still have, a situation where there is very patchy NHS care for anything non-Covid.

janetmendoza · 08/10/2020 12:45

Everyone at some level would prioritise their own family. So what would suit my family is that schools shut (I have no school aged children) paramedics should retire at 55 (dh a 57 year old paramedic) and east of England should erect a wall around itself! But I'm not going to be campaigning for those things because we are all in this together and I'm not that bloody selfish.

Sleepyblueocean · 08/10/2020 12:52

I've really limited my social contacts and observe social distancing wherever it is possible but I won't necessarily stick to whatever 'rule' is in favour at any particular point because I can use my own common sense about what is safe.
I also won't follow 'rules' to the extent of causing distress or real hardship for my disabled child if not following a rule carries only a tiny risk if any, to others.

onlyreadingneverposting8 · 08/10/2020 12:54

This is our war imo - the "I'm alright Jack" attitude from some and the "My life is more important that other person" and the "I deserve a holiday" from others has appalled me. Everyone has to do their bit. The government have been poor but the attitude I've seen on here make me feel that the government are now on a hiding to nothing anyway.

eeeyoresmiles · 08/10/2020 13:42

@SqidgeBum

Here is what I dont understand.

To keep vulnerable people safe, vulnerable people who are being told to shield, we all have to live by restrictions and we are being told those restrictions are going to be increased. Surely if the vulnerable are shielding, they wont be in softplays or on the high street or going for dinner.

Or am I supposed to not go to see my family, go to softplay, feel bad for going shopping, go for dinner, so they can go out without fear of being infected? I sit in so they can go out?

Why are we all not living? Is it some form of equality thing? I honestly dont understand. I sat in throughout the whole of lockdown, as did majority of us. I dont know anyone who is highly vulnerable. I dont see any old relatives because they are shielding by choice. Most of us sat at home during lockdown, and we are still here, so what is the benefit of doing it again?

Firstly, because we're not doing all this just to keep vulnerable people safe - we're doing this to keep everyone safe - from all the things that would happen if we let the virus spread widely, fill up hospitals and so on. This is something the government haven't emphasised nearly enough.

Secondly, because shielding has stopped and vulnerable people are not safely at home, they're out in the community carrying out all sorts of vital jobs. They're not all frail 90 year olds or people with advanced cancer; there are vulnerable people of all ages out there. People with kids at school, people who are kids at school. Teachers, surgeons, social workers, cleaners, scientists, waitresses, plumbers, nurses, checkout operators, care workers... people medically vulnerable to covid are spread throughout our society, inextricably linked with everyone else.

Now you may not care about their actual survival as individuals compared to your own family's, but it makes sense to care about whether they are still able to carry out their jobs as normal, and aren't ending up in hospital (along with quite a few people who aren't known to be vulnerable but who could end up in hospital anyway). The only way to be sure of that is to keep the rates of infection in the community as low as possible.

We just need to keep infection levels at a stable level where as a society they don't cause too much disruption, in a way that also keeps as much as possible of the economy going. That's in everyone's interest - not just the people who are likely to become the most ill. So yes, we're going to be constantly adjusting - opening up, then closing down if infection levels start to go up fast again, then opening up again. Don't make the mistake of thinking any of this would be able to stop if we just decided sod it, let vulnerable people get it. We'd still have to work to keep a lid on infections, because as a society we just can't afford the consequences of that much illness all at once.

tempnamechange98765 · 08/10/2020 14:31

I personally think that companies have a duty of care to redistribute extremely vulnerable people so they're still employed but aren't put in direct harm. So office duties for nurses etc, and checkout staff.

PhilCornwall1 · 08/10/2020 14:37

So office duties for nurses etc, and checkout staff.

And the people doing those jobs now, what do they do then?

EvilPea · 08/10/2020 14:37

What has amazed me is the number of companies in trouble, whilst CEOs and share holders have been taking massive payouts for years.
Like football clubs saying they are struggling. Why are you running things that lean when paying out millions in wages and bonus’s? Keep it in the bank for a rainy day. Small businesses need to do that, but large ones don’t seem to bother

I do feel a lot of companies are using Covid as an excuse to do things they were going to anyway but it’s accelerated it.

PhilCornwall1 · 08/10/2020 14:42

I do feel a lot of companies are using Covid as an excuse to do things they were going to anyway but it’s accelerated it.

That's nothing new, in the previous company I worked at, the week after it was announced the country was in recession during the credit crunch, they made over 300 people redundant. The company was highly profitable and winning tenders right, left and centre. They continued to all the way through. Delivering the work with 300 less people was a ball ache though.

tempnamechange98765 · 08/10/2020 15:04

I'm sure there's a way of doing it. To be fair the redistribution in itself would be a huge job for SOMEONE to do!

The NHS have already done it though to an extent, I know of completely untrained people eg dental nurses being put on COVID wards.

Msmcc1212 · 08/10/2020 18:12

EvilPea

What has amazed me is the number of companies in trouble, whilst CEOs and share holders have been taking massive payouts for years.
Like football clubs saying they are struggling. Why are you running things that lean when paying out millions in wages and bonus’s? Keep it in the bank for a rainy day. Small businesses need to do that, but large ones don’t seem to bother

Totally agree! Richard Branson asking for a bailout from the tax payer!? IKEA paid any furlough money back in the countries they took it from because they realised they didn’t need it. Good for them!

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 08/10/2020 20:48

What narks me the most is the number of people who say "oh the vulnerable, they're going to die soon anyway so restrictions should be lifted so I can go for a pint/holiday/football match etc."

I'm clinically vulnerable but my health condition doesn't affect my life expectancy and hopefully I'll live for many years yet. I feel disposable though and that my life is worth less than someone else's desire to have a pint with their mates.

ChodeOfChodeBall · 08/10/2020 21:25

I'm clinically vulnerable @YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan My job is also dependent on life being back to normal (i.e. with no restrictions whatsoever).

I would weigh it all up. And I would choose to take the Covid risk (despite my vulnerabililty) if it meant I could resurrect my job and pay my mortgage and other bills - and provide for my children.

The children would actually be better off financially if I died than if I carry on treading water in this stupid fucking no-man's land that we are in now, in which I can earn absolutely nothing.

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 08/10/2020 21:53

@ChodeOfChodeBall - I really feel for you. It's awful.

I'm single. I was on unpaid leave and claiming SSP but they stopped that at the end of July and now I'm not entitled to any benefits if I choose to stop off work to protect my health. I've had to return to work in a public facing job as I need money to pay my basic living costs. I'm in the North where cases are increasing rapidly so it's getting riskier by the day. The Government doesn't care about people like us.

ChodeOfChodeBall · 08/10/2020 22:35

Thanks, @YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan

I am a single parent, and do not qualify for benefits so am living on three credit cards at the moment.

We may not be coming at this from quite the same angle (in that I want all the restrictions to end now - but so that I can work again, not so that I can have a pint in a pub which I last went to more than 25 years ago), but I think we can definitely agree that the government doesn't have a clue about how normal people live and work. Unfortunately...

glitterwobbles · 08/10/2020 23:18

@ChodeofChodeBall. I do feel for you what do you do? Can you work somewhere else?
Surely you don't really want to risk your life all your children's.
I know we all will ultimately put our family first. This may ultimately mean we have not have a holiday abroad or pose for selfies with our mates. But we will keep schools open and be able to keep the nhs functioning.

ChodeOfChodeBall · 09/10/2020 18:34

Glitter, unfortunately not. What I do depends on large numbers of people being able to gather.

I haven't had a holiday abroad since my children started school goodness knows how long ago. I've never taken a selfie in my life. I'm an old Luddite.

I've also said before that the NHS can only function so long as people like me are paying tax to fund it. I'm not paying tax now, for the first time in 30 years. There will be millions of people like me.

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