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Do you really think we're all in this together re Covid, or is your main priority yourself and your family?

143 replies

Marcellemouse · 07/10/2020 15:41

I keep hearing we're in this together etc. However, my family are not vulnerable to CV and are one of those families who were not eligible for any government funding. My DC are also in vital years educationally. I am not remotely concerned about catching CV. I have compiled with all the rules but quite frankly now I'm absolutely sick of this. To the vast majority CV is a mild illness, I appreciate there are many people susceptible to this but they are not my concern just as I am not theirs. The final straw was finding out the average age of death from CV is 82. The thought of this continuing for another year or two is sending me over the edge.

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Bollss · 07/10/2020 20:47

@MynamarisBurma

70 people died today of Covid. That's only the ones that died in the last 28 days..

You get Covid, takes a week .. you feel better than worse.. then in hospital , then 3 weeks later you die..

If this was the way they were counting in April then my 42!yr old , wfh neighbour. Who only went to pick up from nursery and to do weekly shop in low risk area would now be at home with her 12 and 8 year old .. instead in a grave in the village church yard. Because she wouldn't be 'dead' ... only she is DEAD and her DH and kids are still poleaxed with grief.

I have absolutely no tolerance for the ' let's get on with it, my kids, family, hamster need a life' .. get a fucking grip and don't wait for someone else to tell you that a deadly virus to some is FUCKING deadly .. as in DEAD !!

Pretty much all viruses are deadly to someone unfortunately. We don't ruin economies and stop educating children for other viruses though.
MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 20:48

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@MynamarisBurma and I have no tolerance for people who see things in such black and white terms.

It's not about frivolous things for me, it's about me keeping my job and home, keeping my DS in school and a roof over his head.[/quote]
Your job and home and child at least have a chance !! My neighbour has none. His wife is dead. His children have no mother. Do you really think that is more important.

MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 20:50

*TrusttheGenieGenie
*
Something that could only be said by someone who didn't lose a 40 yr old friend with no known health condition..

Waxonwaxoff0 · 07/10/2020 20:51

@MynamarisBurma to me? Yes, it is more important. That's the whole point. It's sad about your neighbour, but she is a stranger to me. Why would I prioritize a stranger over my own family?

Bollss · 07/10/2020 20:52

@MynamarisBurma

*TrusttheGenieGenie * Something that could only be said by someone who didn't lose a 40 yr old friend with no known health condition..
No, youre right I haven't lost a 40 year old friend, and I'm sorry for your loss, I really am, but people unfortunately pass away young every single day. Children die every single day in third world countries but I suppose you don't care about them?
MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 20:56

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@MynamarisBurma to me? Yes, it is more important. That's the whole point. It's sad about your neighbour, but she is a stranger to me. Why would I prioritize a stranger over my own family?[/quote]
... and there we go.

If ANY government needs to know why their half arsed ideas aren't working .. we have it in one single comment.

'I don't care about anyone else but me and mine'

There is no solution to this bit to lockdown with draconian sanctions for rule breakers or to accept hundreds of thousands of deaths.

... at least it will save on the social care costs !! Silver lining and all that ..

Waxonwaxoff0 · 07/10/2020 20:57

I do care about others. But not to the extent that I will make my own child suffer so they don't.

Bollss · 07/10/2020 20:58

'I don't care about anyone else but me and mine

This is exactly you feel too though isn't it. You want lockdown because your friends died. You don't care about people dying of other things because of lockdown, you don't care about people losing jobs, homes, going hungry. Your friend died and that's all you care about.

HeIenaDove · 07/10/2020 21:00

@MynamarisBurma If @Waxonwaxoff0 was to lose her job and home how long do you think it would be before the usual suspects are assuming she is a "scrounger" or a "druggie" Two months? Three? Six? Then it will be "why havent you found a job by now? Must be something you are doing wrong" etc etc.

People can see this in the future They arent stupid.

IheartNiles · 07/10/2020 21:00

We’ve never all been in this together.

The working classes (many older and at clinical risk) have been out commuting, keeping services going and working with the public this whole time. The ones who couldn’t work from home have been furloughed on a one way road to redundancy.

Children, young people and young adults have paid a huge price in loss of education and job prospects, for a virus that is of next to no harm to them.

I have friends who are redundant, furloughed, about to lose their homes. Covid would have not harmed them.

The protection of lockdown has been for the sole benefit of elderly voters and the middle classes.

We know Covid is not Ebola and it’s unlikely to cause much harm to the majority. There is no imminent vaccine.

I have worked in a London hospital throughout, caught the virus and infected my family. I was aghast when the lockdown went on unnecessarily for all those months while the NHS sat unused and people’s livelihoods were destroyed. I’ve followed all the rules until now but enough is enough.

MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 21:02

TrustThe GenieGenie well their you May be wrong... as someone so moved by the plight of those in Cambodia I took my public health degree to Aranyaptathet refugee camp for 4 years before transferring to the basket case that is Burma for a further 11 years.. (hence my user name) ... so when you can claim better in the attempt to improve the lives of the oppressed , malnourished and improvised .. let me know !

HeIenaDove · 07/10/2020 21:03

YY @TrustTheGeneGenie You have only got to see the posts om here about how homeless people have "complex" issues.

MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 21:03

There.. not their ..

southeastdweller · 07/10/2020 21:05

"We're all in this together" ranks alongside "Stay Home Save Lives" as one as the most laughable and ridiculous pieces of propaganda from this shit government.

Bollss · 07/10/2020 21:05

@MynamarisBurma

TrustThe GenieGenie well their you May be wrong... as someone so moved by the plight of those in Cambodia I took my public health degree to Aranyaptathet refugee camp for 4 years before transferring to the basket case that is Burma for a further 11 years.. (hence my user name) ... so when you can claim better in the attempt to improve the lives of the oppressed , malnourished and improvised .. let me know !
Well done - having seen malnourished children there why are you happy for there to be more of them here?
MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 21:13

No I don't want lock down !! I have late teenage /early twenties kids who want a life .. but they aren't idiots..

It's a virus
It spreads by human contact
It decreases when people are outsid
It increases when they are inside
It is going to get worse through the inside seasons ..
it is going to take 6 months more to get an effective vaccine

Behave responsibly for six months through the 'inside weather' .. then it will naturally decrease and hopefully we will have a vaccine.. but even if we do t have one by spring it will decrease because more people outside... it's not fucking rocket science..

Six months of behaving with consideration to your fellow man to save their lives.. is that really so hard ?

If I said .. YOUR mother will die before Christmas unless you keep you socialising to the absolute minimum.. for SIX months and then she gets to live another twenty years.. what would YOU choose.. ?

PhilCornwall1 · 07/10/2020 21:14

As far as I'm concerned, the only people I am "in this with" are my family. Others are of no concern to me whatsoever.

Bollss · 07/10/2020 21:15

@MynamarisBurma

No I don't want lock down !! I have late teenage /early twenties kids who want a life .. but they aren't idiots..

It's a virus
It spreads by human contact
It decreases when people are outsid
It increases when they are inside
It is going to get worse through the inside seasons ..
it is going to take 6 months more to get an effective vaccine

Behave responsibly for six months through the 'inside weather' .. then it will naturally decrease and hopefully we will have a vaccine.. but even if we do t have one by spring it will decrease because more people outside... it's not fucking rocket science..

Six months of behaving with consideration to your fellow man to save their lives.. is that really so hard ?

If I said .. YOUR mother will die before Christmas unless you keep you socialising to the absolute minimum.. for SIX months and then she gets to live another twenty years.. what would YOU choose.. ?

It's funny because I have behaved responsibly and yet here we are.

My mother is very unlikely to die of covid so I would simply ignore your ridiculous "choice"

MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 21:18

Welldone - having seen malnourished children there why are you happy for there to be more of them here?

said by someone who has never seen a malnourished child... in Asia.. bless you ..

Bollss · 07/10/2020 21:20

@MynamarisBurma

Welldone - having seen malnourished children there why are you happy for there to be more of them here?

said by someone who has never seen a malnourished child... in Asia.. bless you ..

No, I haven't, but I've seen them over here and it's only going to get worse, and yet you think that's totally fine. Perhaps you only care when it makes you look good?
glitterwobbles · 07/10/2020 21:20

@IheartNiles how can you say the nhs sat unused. Perhaps you work in a very different area to me. I have worked the most hours ever. Washed my hands until they bled had blisters behind my ears. I know that other areas have suffered but we need to keep the NHS active for all services.
We all have to just reduce are contacts a little to bring the rates down. This way we can preserve the wellbeing of more people.
Of course my loved ones come first ultimately but I feel that are wants should not outweigh others needs.
We should all be in this together. Just some people feel that the world owes them more than others.

MynamarisBurma · 07/10/2020 21:21

My mother is very unlikely to die of covid so I would simply ignore your ridiculous "choice

Well good for you. Mine is 87 and in 'good health' which would give her fuck all chance with Covid.

Which proves my point. ! If you think you and yours will be fine you care not a fuck about the vulnerable!

ChodeOfChodeBall · 07/10/2020 21:22

@MynamarisBurma

I note that you are not replying to my post about a teenager who took their own life as a result of lockdown.

flumposie · 07/10/2020 21:22

I like the idea mentioned of circles. My priority as a single parent is my daughter. Then my immediate family who I've hardly seen (3 times since March due to local lockdown). My next circle is the 160 pupils I see teach at the school . I'm trying my best to keep them and myself safe by keeping my distance as much as possible, sanitizing my hands regularly , ventilating classrooms. But, when I walk amongst them on the corridors where most of them are without masks I realise we are not 'all in this together '. ( 6 cases in 5 weeks)

tempnamechange98765 · 07/10/2020 21:22

My only concern is for my family's welfare, specifically my DParents. They provide childcare once a week for my youngest DC, so I'm cautious for their sake. I also don't WANT to catch covid, and so I'm not going to pubs, indoor gym, browsing the shops without a care in the world etc (don't find the latter enjoyable now anyway, it's mask up, get in and get out), mixing in peoples' houses etc. But my main concern to avoid catching it is because I want to continue seeing my DParents, and for them to keep seeing their grandchildren. If it wasn't for them, I would possibly be slightly less cautious. I'm not scared of catching it myself, but I'd rather not.