At my breaking point now. Don't see light at the end of the tunnel

[Valleydad99]

This is probably not going to sit well with people but I'm honestly at the point where I'm questioning what the fucking point of these virus measures are. All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus & now apparently as cases rise it's back to lockdown again?

Am I the only one thinking maybe we need a plan B? Rather than being flamed for apparently trying to kill people for questioning it?

My 1 year old has been locked down for half her life. I can't take the kids to see sport or play inside for basically no reason.

My kids are no longer welcome at church because of SD & in case they wander around like kids do so now we have no spiritual guidance & anyone I express concerns to just say it's for the greater good & fuck you. "Suffer the little children" said Jesus except when they need god most I suppose.

We've been following all the fucking rules but now it's well if more people followed the rules this would all be over. But that's just not true is it. There's no magic bullet & a vaccine doesn't cause it all to go away so I guess we'll just stay in our bunkers shouting wear a mask at people until we're all dead.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is, guess I just want to shout into the void but I'm mentally at my breaking point & don't see a future for my children & me.

Church doesn't have to be in a building though. The pagan community does it all outside with their children who are free to run around.
Why can't the christian community have outside faith meeting once in a while. Somewhere safe, someones large, safe garden for instance where the adults can meet for a service and the children can run around with maybe one person supervising them.
Outdoor worship is great for everyone.

My church had a play area at the back, with toys and books. Children were not running amok putting their germy little fingers in elderly strangers’ mouths. But equally they were not shut away or put in a separate room for a Sunday school lesson or forced to be silent.

Did mine some occasionally run down the aisle? Yes. Did some people object? Probably. But the priest was very clear that children were very welcome and were expected to behave like children not sit quietly on pews throughout. I lost count of the number of older people who told me it was a joy for them to see and hear little children in church, often because it reminded them of family they didn’t get to see as often as they would have liked. And while catholic congregations in many areas are dwindling, this one was booming.

It does seem that there’s very little point and doing the same again that didn’t work before, or at least isn’t viable as a long term solution, seems pretty pointless.

BikeTyson exactly the same here (but not Catholic!).

My dd1 was one who used to run around a bit. She's 21 now and the same church has just given her money to buy some books for uni through a local grant scheme.

I get you OP, it's shit and there's no denying it. I disagree that it's unnecessary, but that doesn't mean it's not hard and I understand having young uns makes it harder.

I have no advice other than to believe it will get better and try and find what joy/comfort/support you can.

I'm with you OP. The measures are a complete overreaction - 99.9 of people survive this virus. Over 6000 scientists say lockdowns should end in the Great Barrington Declaration.
Members of the public can sign it too. I have signed it here gbdeclaration.org/

Yesterday new cases Germany 2000 Italy 2000 Denmark 300 Norway 180 S.Korea 75 Australia 25 China 12 Taiwan 3

A random assortment of countries, there are also many others, but they all have one thing in common - they show that managing the pandemic a damn sight better than the likes of UK (and of course Spain, France, US) is possible and should have been/should be expected. 16,000 cases a day signals a complete failure of policy, planning and implementation.
The thought of this government managing Brexit in two months time on top of this should fill people with terror.

You see I would never make mine sit through a church service. I remember feeling SICK with boredom as a young child when I was forced to do this! And running up and down aisles with hard chairs with sharp corners and benches with the same and stone flooring - no chance. It isn’t about disliking children, it’s the exact opposite tbh. Much nicer for the child to be able to colour and play in a suitable environment. But we are drifting away from a Covid discussion here!

Totally with you , i'm normally a positive person , have a job where 99% of clients are lovely but lately have come across some total arseholes , people who it never crossed my mind could behave like that .
My work is on a busy road and i can hear a lot more engines revving , horns hooting , just so much aggression , it's got to me a bit this week .
Every one is reaching the end of their tether , i just cancelled my weekend away , thought if it's going to be shit i'd rather not bother .
Will buy a nice home/garden magazine instead , light some candle's and relax.
I can't even begin to think about boris saying we might be back to normal october NEXT YEAR !!!!!.
I think i am going to stop watching the news as much , just too depressing.

@Valleydad99It sounds like you need a one to one with your Church and maybe a visit to you doctor to talk about this . You don't seem to be making use of bubbles and social distancing.

Really Churches could surely have a child friendly Service?
Make it like 20 mins.

No need for a massive Sermon.

A few Prayers, a Hymn..?

Maybe even have an outdoor Pole Barn/gazebo type thing so people can be dry but still outdoors?

Jesus would preach outdoors...?

My church is letting children in very willingly. We give them all an activity pack with colouring sheets/crayons etc to keep them occupied. Even if they do wander around none of us are bothered because we are all wearing masks anyway and we have numerous sanitizing stations etc.

Well yeah, you can worship wherever you want to. But I think it’s the social aspect of the church OP is missing.

It's not right to say that you aren't welcome. You ,might not feel welcome, but churches uave to follow the rules just like everyone else.

@madcatladyforever

Church doesn't have to be in a building though. The pagan community does it all outside with their children who are free to run around. Why can't the christian community have outside faith meeting once in a while. Somewhere safe, someones large, safe garden for instance where the adults can meet for a service and the children can run around with maybe one person supervising them. Outdoor worship is great for everyone.

Agree totally.

I attended a Druid Ceremony at Summer Solstice at Stonehenge in the days before it got rammed, and it was lovely.
The Sun coming up between the stones..{One of the few Summer Solstices where it wasn't overcast} was impressive.

We’re all in the same boat! Everyone moaning won’t change anything. You have to adjust and stop focusing on the negatives.

i agree with you OP. Its such bullshit. Nothing they do is making much of a difference, and the thing that would make a difference which is extensive testing for all and decent sick pay so people arent forced into work when sick, and people without the virus arent forced to isolate longer than is necessary - theyre not bloody doing it. Its a shit show. Its a shambles of a mockery of a shambles.
Im grateful my kids are older and the being obsessed with screentime has really come into its own, and also theyre back at school now, but I really do feel for you and others with younger children who need socialisation and to let off steam. You also need company and community and family support and its so important for your wellbeing.
I hope you are managing to see your family, even if its not as relaxed as youd like. Im still seeing my mum

We’re all in the same boat! Everyone moaning won’t change anything. You have to adjust and stop focusing on the negatives

Sorry, but this really has to be the fallacy of the year. We are all in on the same turbulent ocean, perhaps, but in a lot of very, very different boats. The idea everyone had in the spring that lockdown was ‘a great equaliser’ really is for the birds.

I’ve been trying to get a bit of perspective by reading novels. For eg currently reading beekeeper of Aleppo. Once you read what the Syrians have been through, and how they also saw the destruction of their normal life’s over a number of years from a place of absolute normality, it puts this into some context ! I’ve been a lot less morose since reading this (weirdly).

Eventually the penny will drop that operation ‘pissing in the wind’ isn’t working and the only viable solution is for people to take personal responsibility for their health ie the vulnerable need to take appropriate measures.

@tootyfruitypickle

I’ve been trying to get a bit of perspective by reading novels. For eg currently reading beekeeper of Aleppo. Once you read what the Syrians have been through, and how they also saw the destruction of their normal life’s over a number of years from a place of absolute normality, it puts this into some context ! I’ve been a lot less morose since reading this (weirdly).

Reading is a great MH soother but tbf to the OP, she has a 3yo and a 1yo. I doubt she has time to take a piss uninterrupted

@Valleydad99
Oldskool 'Reins' keep young kids from wandering off.

Might be an idea?

Oh but think of the playdates that are being missed!

Well actually I do and so does my grandfather.

Oh sorry it's anecdotal, I have friends and family in critical care

I'm sorry about that but anecdotal evidence is meaningless. If I told you that none of my friends and family who are in their fifties are in critical care that would be equally meaningless.

The data speaks for itself. If you are in your fifties you are not at any kind of significant risk, even with underlying health issues.

I find it desperately sad how many people including me feel let down by their church at a time when they needed them most.

One thing I have repeatedly said since the start of this pandemic is that there has been an eerie silence from the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury and other senior religious figures around the world. Italy was on it's knees and we heard idly squat from the pope. All they had to do was come on the TV in a video or 2 and offer support and prayers.

This pandemic has shown me that actually, they don't give a shit about people and I won't be going back to a church anytime soon.

@TempsPerdu

We’re all in the same boat! Everyone moaning won’t change anything. You have to adjust and stop focusing on the negatives

Sorry, but this really has to be the fallacy of the year. We are all in on the same turbulent ocean, perhaps, but in a lot of very, very different boats. The idea everyone had in the spring that lockdown was ‘a great equaliser’ really is for the birds.

Being like Mr Harry Markle in an Luxurious acreage is very different to being a family cooped up in a tower block. They have no worries as to money, and this makes a big difference.