Why aren’t the government doing more?! Are they trying to achieve herd immunity?!

[bootsandcats08]

Why the heck aren’t the government doing more? Don’t you think it’s getting ridiculous now?!

UK to has had the highest cases in Europe!
Are we supposed to just live like RBI’s now? Accept it?!

Surely this is much much worse than in March and back then a lockdown was imposed!! Why aren’t they doing more?!

Are they trying to just achieve some sort of herd immunity???

Of the deaths registered in Week 39,

One week in September, after months of lockdown?

What about the numbers back in March and April?

Post them

@Sb2012 Completely agree

we'd much nearer herd immunity for one thing

At what cost? The collapse of services? Half a million dead and many more requiring medical assistance that wouldn't have been there

So why are the number of hospital admissions also increasing? Cases increased by 25% today alone. Not to mention the fact that people on ventilators has also increased

@Sb2012

So why are the number of hospital admissions also increasing? Cases increased by 25% today alone. Not to mention the fact that people on ventilators has also increased

Sorry that was in response to:

@BillywilliamV

You do know that the main reason we're recording more cases is because we're testing more, don't you?

@Flaxmeadow

Of the deaths registered in Week 39,

One week in September, after months of lockdown?

What about the numbers back in March and April?

Post them

you can find them via the link :)

yes, they were higher then, but that was then and this is now

sadly some people have died of/with covid, and there will be more that die but the numbers do not warrant the prolonged restrictions on our liberty

The cure is becoming worse than the disease. Our politicians have failed us and are still many months into the crisis stumbling around from one idea to another, offering no coherent plan, no leadership and no hope.

I can understand your angst.
How many died across Europe of cancer today?
Or a heart attack?
Once we understand this we can then put the covid number into some sort of proportional understanding.
Either catastrophic or actually proportional/less than the other categories.

yes, they were higher then, but that was then and this is now

What do you think would have happened then (beyond March/April) without lockdown?

OP, take a look at the figures on Worldometer, then you'll see that most countries are struggling to contain this pandemic.

Then maybe take time to watch some videos on the Youtube channel of Dr John Campbell - he nursed for many years, then taught nursing for years. He is very knowledgeable and presents data in a very accessible way.

Also, maybe ration your use of exclamation marks - overusing them just make your posts seem hysterical. These are frightening times but try not to lose your head.

The comparison with cancer etc is unhelpful. Cancer is usually a long term disease, not infectious and highly variable. Covid is fast moving, highly infectious and left unrestricted will lead to alot of people getting sick at the same time. With the possibility of high demand on services and a big old daily death count again.

Because we simply cannot afford another lockdown if we want to have an economy and an NHS to still be here in 6 months’ time.

We cannot destroy our young people’s futures any more than they already have been for a virus with an average age of death above the UK’s life expectancy.

The one thing I would do differently or offer those who are vulnerable the opportunity to shield again, fully funded and supported by government.

Otherwise I think social distancing, masks and the rule of six are reasonable and sustainable measures.

We are very good at saying "there has to be a answer", or "what is the alternative? ". Well, sometimes there just isn't one.

We cannot destroy our young people’s futures any more than they already have been for a virus with an average age of death above the UK’s life expectancy

So hundreds of thousands of our elderly and vulnerable must die, and in a short space of time putting pressure on services, because students can't go to the pub or take a uni lecture form a zoom meeting?

@bootsandcats08

Why the heck aren’t the government doing more? Don’t you think it’s getting ridiculous now?!

UK to has had the highest cases in Europe!
Are we supposed to just live like RBI’s now? Accept it?!

Surely this is much much worse than in March and back then a lockdown was imposed!! Why aren’t they doing more?!

Are they trying to just achieve some sort of herd immunity???

Well it’s plainly not worse than back in March. We had over 100000 cases a day fhen.

What’s an RBI?

What more do you think they should be doing? I agree they are useless but there’s only so much you can do to control a virus.

Exactly. The Government haven't got a magic wand to make it all go away.

@Flaxmeadow

As I’ve just explained, I support the elderly and vulnerable being shielded on top of retaining the current measures. There is absolutely no evidence that ‘hundreds of thousands’ of people will die- these apocalyptic predictions have not occurred anywhere in the world.

Thousands of young healthy people will die when we can no longer afford to fund the NHS after another lockdown makes millions more people unemployed.

That’s on top of the healthy young people who would die from suicide, malnutrition, domestic violence and cancer treatment being stopped.

@lockdownalli

I do think the government should bring back some restrictions (not total isolation) for those who were previously shielding due to vulnerabilities.

i have a friend who has really bad asthma, she is regularly hospitalised. She cannot drive and has been forced to get public transport to work. She feels she is risking her life every working day, as there are so many people on the bus without masks, often coughing.

I feel she should be able to stay at home on full pay until it is safe for her to get to work. The government appear to be very reluctant to make any small steps towards reducing the number of cases and it makes me wonder how bad things will have to get before action is taken.

Why? Presumably if she drove she’d be OK. Why should she get her wages paid because she doesn’t drive?

@bootsandcats08 you can put yourself in voluntary lockdown if you want too theres nothing stopping you. Your obesity is more of a health risk to you than covid is though!

there’s only so much you can do to control a virus yes, quite, but the question is why the UK isn't doing the things it could be doing - for example bolstering local public health teams and supporting people to self-isolate. The government seems to have stopped trying to protect both health and the economy.

My opinion of herd immunity:

Hardly anyone is dying. You state the UK having the highest cases in Europe. The UK are testing more than any other country in Europe (with the exception of some islands) and a large percentage of those testing positive are showing no symptoms and wouldn’t even know they had it if not tested.

In other countries they would never have been tested and so never show in the stats.

The statistics you are using to hype your fear mean nothing unless every country has exactly the same testing regime. The only relevant statistic is deaths and that is currently very low and also includes every death of any cause of the person has tested positive in the previous 28 days.

No symptoms, test positive, three weeks later hit by a car counts as a Covid death.

Do you think you see less death because people know they are at risk and are weary and careful? I have asthma with high blood pressure and I am very careful . I don’t go out without my masks. Yet the kids and their parents across my house play in the playground everyday without a masks. They are not worry (good for them)

Just stop whingeing - no one knows ...................................
no one knows if it's best to lock the country down
no one knows if it's best to carry on as normal and try for herd immunity
no one knows if the vaccine will be here next week
no one knows if there might never be a vaccine
It's rubbish for everyone, especially those at higher risk, but we have little option but to get on with it.

[quote Dawnlassie]@Unsure33

I hope you all realise herd immunity may not be possible as many people who have had covid have no antibodies 4 weeks later?

This is a completely normal immune response. The body will not bother producing loads of antibodies if the virus is no longer present in the body. However it does retain cells called T-lymphocytes who will produce antibodies if the virus enters the body again.

I really wish people would stop commenting on immunology when they do not understand it.[/quote]
Those who think saying that antibodies and such are shortterm so we have no protection at all, and using this to say best to wait for a vaccine are a bit nonsensical to me. Your later post of

Exposure to either (i) the live virus or (ii) a vaccine will produce exactly the same immnue response. You will have an initial mass of antibodies and eventually these fade as the virus is destroyed. After which you have B-cells who are able to produce the requisite antibodies should the virus enter the body again.

You can be "reinfected" again wether you have the actual live virus or the vaccine.

Was exactly how I understood things. Though I am NOT someone who knows about the science, just someone who tends to understand things I read who has issues sleeping so has read a lot about this virus and vaccines in general over the past few months.

@PracticingPerson

there’s only so much you can do to control a virus yes, quite, but the question is why the UK isn't doing the things it could be doing - for example bolstering local public health teams and supporting people to self-isolate. The government seems to have stopped trying to protect both health and the economy.

Those are definitely measures I would be behind in a heartbeat. Its been clear for a while now to me that isolation is not going to work while many cannot afford to actually isolate for 2 weeks (possibly repeatedly). But there seems to be no focus on this at all. It seems to be thought that just shouting 'granny killer/selfish' at such people will make them suddenly able to afford to isolate.